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Old May 17, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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Anyone feelin a drive??
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Old May 17, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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Yeah, but at PIR on Friday and Sunday. Why don't you come on out and run with us? See the thread, posted in this forum, about it.

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Old May 17, 2005 | 10:45 AM
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I did, and I really want to but I am just too broke... Not only the entry fees, but the extra wear and tear on the tires, and anything else that could happen... Im sure I will eventually make it out there, but probably not for a while...
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Old May 17, 2005 | 10:51 AM
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Understood, but save your pennies. For your first couple of events, you really won't put that much wear and tear on the tires, and if you're disciplined and willing to be a bit gentle at the end of the front straight, you can use the stock brakepads without a problem at PIR. It's not hard on brakes, save the entry to Turn 1. If you want, you might just show up to say "hi" and get a ride along with one of the instructors. I'd be happy to set you up with one (I won't have my car there, but I think I'll be instructing on both days).

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Old May 17, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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Cool, I will definatly be out there sooner or later

And im sure I will be hooked once I do it once, thats what im worried about
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Old May 17, 2005 | 04:53 PM
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cbender,

Quick questions:

1. What do you charge for instruction at PIR?

2. What insurance company will cover cars on the track in Oregon? I just called mine today and they said any activity at all on a track isn't covered.

Thanks
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Old May 17, 2005 | 05:18 PM
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Harpoon -

Instruction is included as a part of your event participation for any and all who need/want it. Instructors for club events are strictly volunteers who get a break in their event fees in exchange for their services.

Insurance - check the Oregon PCA website (http://www.oregonpca.org/DriverEd/de_insurance.htm) for supplemental insurance info relating to track events. A lot of insurance companies explicitly exclude coverage for competition events, timed events, or practice for timed/competition events. Club Driver Events do not allow any of the above and do not fall under those exclusionary rules. A couple of insurance companies on the other hand will not cover any type of event held at such a venue under any circumstances.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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Alan's right on all points. Just to be clear, however, HPDEs (high performance driving events, such as the ones sponsored by the Porsche Club) are technically classified as "driver education", so it's a gray area with regard to your coverage. In my experience, I've never known some to be declined coverage for an incident that's happened on thet track, but there's usually some squabbling about it. The risks are, IMO, modest at a track like PIR, particularly if you go at the event with prudence and self-discipline, but the fact is that it's not uncommon for a car to end the day on a flatbed. I've spun a bunch of times, but in all the events I've done, I've NEVER gone careening off track or even come close to damaging a car. YMMV.
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Old May 18, 2005 | 07:32 AM
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I figured I'd get a bottle of Jack Daniel's, get loaded and practice driving drunk at PIR. Do you think I'd be covered?

Just kidding - I'm in the market for a new insurance company - no problems with my record, but I think their rates have gotten out of control. I did call the current company yesterday in an effort to get clarity with coverage. The policy states the standard language about "timed events and racing". The company rep stated the actual exclusion is for "anything" that occurs on a track or auto-cross environment. Seems like they don't want to bother with claims and someone saying they were on the track, but it wasn't a timed event. I understand their position, but I'm switching anyway. In the meantime, I'll just get daily coverage specific to the short time I'm on the track. There is an event next month at PR for the guys who developed the Forza game. The car lineup looks amazing.
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Old May 18, 2005 | 08:33 AM
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Harpoon, check out AIG (aigdirect.com). They gave me the best rate by far. My boss told me to quote them and now I think eveyone I know goes through them

Not sure about there stance on track activity though...
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