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Old 06-11-2019, 02:59 AM
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So, I went in for an alignment and the tech said he had a hard time getting the rear driver’s side wheel’s toe aligned. He goes to show me the problem and I guess the alignment tab seat(or whatever it’s called where the washer is held in place) was all worn out looking. Like it had been shifting around in place and grinding around on the metal. He said either new toe bars for more adjustability could fix it, or a weld... I just wanted to see what you guys think or might have a different diagnosis? Kind of worried I might have to replace the subframe.
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So, I went in for an alignment and the tech said he had a hard time getting the rear driver’s side wheel’s toe aligned. He goes to show me the problem and I guess the alignment tab seat(or whatever it’s called where the washer is held in place) was all worn out looking. Like it had been shifting around in place and grinding around on the metal. He said either new toe bars for more adjustability could fix it, or a weld... I just wanted to see what you guys think or might have a different diagnosis? Kind of worried I might have to replace the subframe.
If you find a donor subframe, a new tab can be welded in. Its fairly easy if you know someone who welds.

Otherwise, a small peice of steel can be welded in to act as a lip. The old, worn/busted lip needs to be cut off.

Or, yes, buy aftermarket toe adjusters with turn-buckles.

Pics of your issue would help. Bent subframe tabs are common. If you've ever hit a curb or crashed the car, the adjuster spins and flattens the lip on the tab.
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:53 AM
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It looked worn out inside the redlines. Like the nut was loose and the washer was just rotating around in there. The subframe isn’t bent, never curbed the car or anything... I wish I had pictures of mine, but I’m out of state right now. I come back in a few weeks and am looking to fix it, I just need to know what’s wrong so I can convey that to a fabricator haha
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If you find a donor subframe, a new tab can be welded in. Its fairly easy if you know someone who welds.

Otherwise, a small peice of steel can be welded in to act as a lip. The old, worn/busted lip needs to be cut off.

Or, yes, buy aftermarket toe adjusters with turn-buckles.

Pics of your issue would help. Bent subframe tabs are common. If you've ever hit a curb or crashed the car, the adjuster spins and flattens the lip on the tab.
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:58 AM
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If you find a donor subframe, a new tab can be welded in. Its fairly easy if you know someone who welds.

Otherwise, a small peice of steel can be welded in to act as a lip. The old, worn/busted lip needs to be cut off.

Or, yes, buy aftermarket toe adjusters with turn-buckles.

Pics of your issue would help. Bent subframe tabs are common. If you've ever hit a curb or crashed the car, the adjuster spins and flattens the lip on the tab.
How bad would it be to buy toe adjusters to fix the problem? I mean, I don’t wanna buy a part to mask a suspension problem, but worst case scenario, I can’t find someone to weld or a new rear subframe?
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i would get 2 machined peices of steel to oem spec but a bit thicker material and get the old ones ground off and weld on new ones. it has been done before but cannot find the pictures or thread

Edit - something like this, this is just so its more easy to visualise what im on about


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i would get 2 machined peices of steel to oem spec but a bit thicker material and get the old ones ground off and weld on new ones. it has been done before but cannot find the pictures or thread

Edit - something like this, this is just so its more easy to visualise what im on about

Thats actually not a terrible idea! I just gotta find someone to do it lol
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The toe adjusters are definitely easier, and you're not really masking an issue that matters, in this case.

BUT, there's no quality like OEM quality. And any aftermarket toe arms will be a bit of a liability. I wouldn't buy aftermarket parts unless you NEEDED to, in most cases.

Welding in a fix and then getting new OEM hardware/eccentric washers is your best bet.

I harvested tabs from an old subframe to fix my track2000. A chisel removes them pretty easily. Unfortunately, it requires you to have access to a spare subframe, which is not practical.

Using another peice of metal to replicate this thing is better.



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Old 06-11-2019, 05:14 AM
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The toe adjusters are definitely easier, and you're not really masking an issue that matters, in this case.

BUT, there's no quality like OEM quality. And any aftermarket toe arms will be a bit of a liability. I wouldn't buy aftermarket parts unless you NEEDED to, in most cases.

Welding in a fix and then getting new OEM hardware/eccentric washers is your best bet.

I harvested tabs from an old subframe to fix my track2000. A chisel removes them pretty easily. Unfortunately, it requires you to have access to a spare subframe, which is not practical.

Using another peice of metal to replicate this thing is better.



Yes, this pic^^!!! That's what mine looked like when I inspected it(maybe slightly more rough, idk it's been so long). Good to know they come off easy and are somewhat replaceable. I thought it was gonna be a real PITA to fix this, but you guys have given me hope! I mean if all else fails and I can't find a decent fabricator, I'm glad the toe arms can help the issues. I was worried I'd be out of options if I couldn't find a welder
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The tabs come off pretty easy. I used a chisel.

Be sure to repair all the paint afterward.
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The tabs come off pretty easy. I used a chisel.

Be sure to repair all the paint afterward.

All the paint?
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