Anyway to improve handling w/o low sprs?
#12
-Front strut bar to plant the rear end during tight corner (Autocross standard here)
-tires and alignment
learn to maximize the potential of the already great stock suspension (1-2 years of track days) then start messing with the suspension.
I think you need to get use to driving a FR car. The tail will come around sometime, you'll just have to adapt.
-tires and alignment
learn to maximize the potential of the already great stock suspension (1-2 years of track days) then start messing with the suspension.
I think you need to get use to driving a FR car. The tail will come around sometime, you'll just have to adapt.
#13
the ap2s suspension was designed to be less tail happy as in the rear won't slide out as much as the ap1s. The ap1s are a lot more fun to drive imo. The CR's suspension is basically an ap1 suspension with upgraded parts i guess. This is what i learned from a meet i went to.
#14
It seems the complaint is that the car feels loose is your main gripe. The AP2 cars got a more average driver friendly suspension to reduce the snap steer the AP1s had.
AutoX-ing my AP2 I can tell you although the suspension is softer and looser in feeling it makes finding the edge of handling very easy and also quite catchable. The AP1s are not as friendly. But the stock suspension is very capable.
Couple of 90 and a 270ish in the wet and dry
Catchable
.Capable
One of the best things you can do is upgrade the front sway bar. It will help keep the front planted and rotate the rear a bit.
Springs really aren't needed (although I am doing them) but I want a stiffer overall ride
AutoX-ing my AP2 I can tell you although the suspension is softer and looser in feeling it makes finding the edge of handling very easy and also quite catchable. The AP1s are not as friendly. But the stock suspension is very capable.
Couple of 90 and a 270ish in the wet and dry
Catchable
.Capable
One of the best things you can do is upgrade the front sway bar. It will help keep the front planted and rotate the rear a bit.
Springs really aren't needed (although I am doing them) but I want a stiffer overall ride
#16
+1 on Sway bars. I'm running the CR's front and rear sway bars, and there has been quite a bit of reduction in body roll. This has been my best mod next to going back to 17's and the Dunlop Star specs.
I'd go that route before putting in CR springs since they were meant to work with CR dampers and all the other chassis parts.
And $380 for spring installation is excessive when you can find a local member willing to help you out for much less.
I'd go that route before putting in CR springs since they were meant to work with CR dampers and all the other chassis parts.
And $380 for spring installation is excessive when you can find a local member willing to help you out for much less.
#17
Yes rioyellows2k I have a new quote of $240 for spring install(of
course I've decided Swift springs if I go that route).
Just to clarify...when I say "loose"..I dont mean the opposite
of "push"..or understeer..I just mean the car doesn't feel as solid
a unit underneath me as I'd like.
I'm leaning toward trying the sways..just can't decide if I should
get front and rear.
And I find the Mux brace very inviting but I really don't want to
make the car handle quicker as I'm really just looking to shore
up the chassis..make it stiffer!
thanks again for responses..as far as driving lessons...I've covered
11,000 miles a month for the last 18 months..and yes while the
vehicle I was driving had 5 tons of weight on its steers..I've driven
many cars in the past that were fast compact sportsters.
#20
Originally Posted by fishfryer,Feb 13 2010, 03:02 PM
The S2000 is fairly heavy for being such a small car, maybe 300 or 400 pounds heavier than the mazda, you may just be feeling its weight.
I'm going to take the S to a truck stop today and weigh just
to see where she's at.
But the Mazda was very light..probably 2500 lbs....it had nothing
in the way of power anything(windows..sunroof..etc.)....so yes weight
is a huge part.
After much thought and careful consideration(like 5 minutes)..I've
determined not to change the springs..what I want to change is not
the up and down of the car(vertical) but the side-to-side of the
car(horizontal).
I think this will greatly help the "feel" of the car..that and eventually
getting some Enkie wheels..they are very light..saving 3 lbs. front
and 5lbs rear..not that the OEM's are heavy at 17.5 and 20.5 rear.
Then maybe some body braces...an intake...those fancy high spark
plugs and my car will be PERFECT!!