Best S2000 Lowering Springs?
09-30-2012, 08:08 PM
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Thanks everyone, i checked out the swift springs and they look really nice and have a nice drop. If anyone else has pics of swifts or espilars on their S feel free to post them!
10-01-2012, 07:24 AM
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My review of the Swift Spec R on my CR. It is not an apples to apples review as there is a very large difference between CR dampers and non CR dampers. I just copied over my reviews from the CR forum:
More pictures coming this weekend after alignment and canyon runs
Anyway, Swift Spec R from Kami Speed. $299 shipped and they get drop shipped from Swift USA in CA, so I got them in 3 days
. Had two friends come help me with the install and took about 2hrs.
To reiterate:
CR Spring rates
Front: 7.0kg/mm=392ft/lbs
Rear: 6.2kg/mm=348ft/lbs
Spec R Spring rates
Front: 7.5kg/mm=420ft/lbs
Rear: 7.0kg/mm=392ft/lbs
Initial Review:
Swift claims these will lower your car 1.25 inches front and back. I measured 1.2 in the front and just about 1 inch in the rear the day after I lowered the car. I think the car sits perfectly now and is exactly how the CR should have come, but maybe not quite as low in the front. I think I may rub under heavy cornering but we'll see. I will be maxing out the front camber (-1.5-2.0) so that should help. Car feels very stockish, but more compliant and absorbs bumps better. The car is certainly less jarring and rough over road imperfections, that said I feel the car lost a little of its personality, but that is not necessarily a bad thing because the ride is improved. I have not noticed any difference in the feeling of the front of the car, but as I suspected I did notice the difference in the rear. The car seems to set much quicker and turn faster now. Before the car felt like it had a little roll, then set a little slower in the rear in a corner, and that transition seems to happen quicker, and its more progressive thanks to the coil winding of the springs. I actually pitched the car in a corner I like to take and had vsa kicking on because the rear slid. Never had that happen before. Car is flatter and does feel like its on coil overs. Some have asked why springs?? For an aggressive street car the CR dampers are fantastic imo and it would be impossible to match the FEEL of the CR dampers with a coil over. Since I am unfortunately not tracking the car, I made the decision to get the looks right, and to not mess with the feel of the car. That and I was feeling cheap and did not want to spend over 2g's on a new suspension.
Alignment is coming Friday, then probably a run up HWY 88 afterwards to play
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975386065/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975386065/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/41071623@N03/, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975356950/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975356950/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/41071623@N03/, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975391517/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975391517/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/41071623@N03/, on Flickr
Hope this helps your decision Ira!!
Got my car aligned yesterday at SOS here in AZ. Wow, wait to you see what they have coming out next for the S2000
Alignment specs are as follows:
Front
6.3 degrees caster
0 toe
-1.8 camber (Achievable max was -2.2 but that was with 5.8 degrees caster) On the street and back roads I prefer to have caster over camber)
Rear
3/16" total toe in
-2.8 camber (Achievable max was -3.3)
The car is much more solid and I can feel the increased grip in the corners from the increased camber. I also am happy with the toe settings so far. I only did some back road driving where understeer was never an issue, but based on my drive I was really happy with the way the car performed. Car turns in very quickly and felt neutral all the way thru the corner and thru the exit. Granted I am on public roads and not pushing the car, and the types of turns I was taking I never noticed understeer before. Taking some on ramps at moderate speed the car def felt more neutral and I didnt need to use the throttle to steer the car. It is nice to have the car do what I want now, as opposed to having to drive the car a certain way to get it to drive the way I want.
Springs impressions. As I said before the ride is much smoother now. Highway expansion joints and bumps on the highway are absorbed and are barely felt compared to stock. The back roads I were on are pretty torn up and like a washboard in certain areas. The car was FANTASTIC in those areas. Car absorbed the bumps and was fairly smooth. I had no traction issues or wheel hop coming out of bumpy corners. Compared to stock this was another big improvement. I never felt the car "skipping" over bumps. The car reacts and transitions much faster now. From turn in until the car "sets" has improved and quickened and inspires a lot more confidence. I am very happy with how the springs perform. Its not a huge improvement, but is very noticeable and the car to me feels better. I was far more comfortable pushing the car in corners as it felt more planted and stable and did not get upset by bumps mid corner. I also prefer a car that sets quickly as it makes me feel more comfortable and confident in the car. Again I cant say these are a performance increasing part and make the car faster, but I do believe that I could drive the car faster because of the feedback I get from the car now. Oh and, the car looks amazing!!! The ride height is about perfect, although I would not mind the front being a tad higher. The car looks proper and very sporty. I got lots of compliments from SOS and the other S2000 member that I went on the drive with. Car looks great! Only downside is I have to be more careful now, and the wheels are a bit too sunken in for me, but this is all about performance and not ruining fenders.
Two pics and a short video of the road and me putting around. Obviously its a public road, with traffic, and we had some heavy rain earlier in the week and there was a lot of gravel down in places so I had to be leery of that. There is a point in this video where I slide a little through some gravel but I saw it and was ready for it. All in all had a fun day and I am really enjoying the car right now. For those without I/TP/E and a tune, take note how I short shift and am always in the power band. I dont really even use second gear that often because of the extra 30lb-ft of torque in the mid range after my tune.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7986887631/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7986887631/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/41071623@N03/, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7986897550/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7986897550/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/41071623@N03/, on Flickr
Here is my first video with the Hero2. I def need to tweak the setup, mainly in the sound arena. Just a short clip of my cruise.
720p 60fps
wide angle
spot metering on
Modifry low profile mount
Used foam weather stripping between the modifry mount and top of secret compartment
Used foam weather stripping in a few places inside the compartment to eliminate plastic on plastic rubbing (door closes tighter now)
Used the white rubber piece from gopro to help keep camera mount from rattling
Used the non-waterproof skeleton door
I def forgot and need to turn the radio off next time!! I also did get too much wind noise so I need an external mic or I will at least try the other case. My car is fairly loud so I think you will still be able to hear it when im on it.
More pictures coming this weekend after alignment and canyon runs
Anyway, Swift Spec R from Kami Speed. $299 shipped and they get drop shipped from Swift USA in CA, so I got them in 3 days
. Had two friends come help me with the install and took about 2hrs.To reiterate:
CR Spring rates
Front: 7.0kg/mm=392ft/lbs
Rear: 6.2kg/mm=348ft/lbs
Spec R Spring rates
Front: 7.5kg/mm=420ft/lbs
Rear: 7.0kg/mm=392ft/lbs
Initial Review:
Swift claims these will lower your car 1.25 inches front and back. I measured 1.2 in the front and just about 1 inch in the rear the day after I lowered the car. I think the car sits perfectly now and is exactly how the CR should have come, but maybe not quite as low in the front. I think I may rub under heavy cornering but we'll see. I will be maxing out the front camber (-1.5-2.0) so that should help. Car feels very stockish, but more compliant and absorbs bumps better. The car is certainly less jarring and rough over road imperfections, that said I feel the car lost a little of its personality, but that is not necessarily a bad thing because the ride is improved. I have not noticed any difference in the feeling of the front of the car, but as I suspected I did notice the difference in the rear. The car seems to set much quicker and turn faster now. Before the car felt like it had a little roll, then set a little slower in the rear in a corner, and that transition seems to happen quicker, and its more progressive thanks to the coil winding of the springs. I actually pitched the car in a corner I like to take and had vsa kicking on because the rear slid. Never had that happen before. Car is flatter and does feel like its on coil overs. Some have asked why springs?? For an aggressive street car the CR dampers are fantastic imo and it would be impossible to match the FEEL of the CR dampers with a coil over. Since I am unfortunately not tracking the car, I made the decision to get the looks right, and to not mess with the feel of the car. That and I was feeling cheap and did not want to spend over 2g's on a new suspension.
Alignment is coming Friday, then probably a run up HWY 88 afterwards to play
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975386065/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975386065/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/41071623@N03/, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975356950/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975356950/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/41071623@N03/, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975391517/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7975391517/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/41071623@N03/, on Flickr
Hope this helps your decision Ira!!
Got my car aligned yesterday at SOS here in AZ. Wow, wait to you see what they have coming out next for the S2000
Alignment specs are as follows:
Front
6.3 degrees caster
0 toe
-1.8 camber (Achievable max was -2.2 but that was with 5.8 degrees caster) On the street and back roads I prefer to have caster over camber)
Rear
3/16" total toe in
-2.8 camber (Achievable max was -3.3)
The car is much more solid and I can feel the increased grip in the corners from the increased camber. I also am happy with the toe settings so far. I only did some back road driving where understeer was never an issue, but based on my drive I was really happy with the way the car performed. Car turns in very quickly and felt neutral all the way thru the corner and thru the exit. Granted I am on public roads and not pushing the car, and the types of turns I was taking I never noticed understeer before. Taking some on ramps at moderate speed the car def felt more neutral and I didnt need to use the throttle to steer the car. It is nice to have the car do what I want now, as opposed to having to drive the car a certain way to get it to drive the way I want.
Springs impressions. As I said before the ride is much smoother now. Highway expansion joints and bumps on the highway are absorbed and are barely felt compared to stock. The back roads I were on are pretty torn up and like a washboard in certain areas. The car was FANTASTIC in those areas. Car absorbed the bumps and was fairly smooth. I had no traction issues or wheel hop coming out of bumpy corners. Compared to stock this was another big improvement. I never felt the car "skipping" over bumps. The car reacts and transitions much faster now. From turn in until the car "sets" has improved and quickened and inspires a lot more confidence. I am very happy with how the springs perform. Its not a huge improvement, but is very noticeable and the car to me feels better. I was far more comfortable pushing the car in corners as it felt more planted and stable and did not get upset by bumps mid corner. I also prefer a car that sets quickly as it makes me feel more comfortable and confident in the car. Again I cant say these are a performance increasing part and make the car faster, but I do believe that I could drive the car faster because of the feedback I get from the car now. Oh and, the car looks amazing!!! The ride height is about perfect, although I would not mind the front being a tad higher. The car looks proper and very sporty. I got lots of compliments from SOS and the other S2000 member that I went on the drive with. Car looks great! Only downside is I have to be more careful now, and the wheels are a bit too sunken in for me, but this is all about performance and not ruining fenders.
Two pics and a short video of the road and me putting around. Obviously its a public road, with traffic, and we had some heavy rain earlier in the week and there was a lot of gravel down in places so I had to be leery of that. There is a point in this video where I slide a little through some gravel but I saw it and was ready for it. All in all had a fun day and I am really enjoying the car right now. For those without I/TP/E and a tune, take note how I short shift and am always in the power band. I dont really even use second gear that often because of the extra 30lb-ft of torque in the mid range after my tune.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7986887631/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7986887631/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/41071623@N03/, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7986897550/http://www.flickr.com/photos/41071623@N03/7986897550/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/41071623@N03/, on Flickr
Here is my first video with the Hero2. I def need to tweak the setup, mainly in the sound arena. Just a short clip of my cruise.
720p 60fps
wide angle
spot metering on
Modifry low profile mount
Used foam weather stripping between the modifry mount and top of secret compartment
Used foam weather stripping in a few places inside the compartment to eliminate plastic on plastic rubbing (door closes tighter now)
Used the white rubber piece from gopro to help keep camera mount from rattling
Used the non-waterproof skeleton door
I def forgot and need to turn the radio off next time!! I also did get too much wind noise so I need an external mic or I will at least try the other case. My car is fairly loud so I think you will still be able to hear it when im on it.
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WilloW (05-20-2021)
10-01-2012, 03:51 PM
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What these guys said, I have the same set-up and love it.
10-01-2012, 05:37 PM
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Wow, thanks adr. All of that info was really helpful and I think im going with the Swift springs now. Sounds like the kind of drop im looking for.