S2000 Electronics Information and discussion related to S2000 electronics such as ICE, GPS, and alarms.

Laser Shifters and jammers possibly deadly....

Thread Tools
 
Old May 5, 2005 | 10:44 AM
  #1  
NFRs2000NYC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Former Moderator
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 18,852
Likes: 1
From: New York
Default Laser Shifters and jammers possibly deadly....

Recently there has been a lot of talk regarding laser jammers. I just wanted to discuss something, and maybe some insignt.

Nowadays, with more and more cars coming out with laser cruise control, can a laser jammer make a car think there is noone in front, and make the car slam into another???

My V1 always picks up laser cruise control (usually an Infinity FX)....so it only makes sense that a laser shifter would mess with the cars electronics....

Any thoughts???
Reply
Old May 5, 2005 | 11:06 AM
  #2  
tizbad2k's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 400
Likes: 2
From: Bethesda
Default

no offense to those that use the CC but i think that it shouldnt even be an option on cars. Using cruise control implies that you would rather relax or sleep instead of actually drive the car.


And if recent cruise control systems are laser controlled, then the only way that laser jamming would cause an accident is if the person was asleep or semi-retarded. Both of which are are good enough reasons to have someones license taken away, imo.
Reply
Old May 5, 2005 | 12:19 PM
  #3  
S2K'ing-IN-Spokane's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 422
Likes: 0
From: Windsor,On,Can&Spokane WA
Default

These systems being tested/implemented are not along the same light bandwidth as these laser radar speed detection.
Reply
Old May 5, 2005 | 01:43 PM
  #4  
PJK3's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 7,584
Likes: 1
From: Baton Rouge, LA
Default

And if recent cruise control systems are laser controlled, then the only way that laser jamming would cause an accident is if the person was asleep or semi-retarded. Both of which are are good enough reasons to have someones license taken away, imo.
and yet -- by this point, someone has already been in an accident and/or killed...


Dave -- i do think they operate on a different bandwidth. however, you make a good point. my X50 also picks up the new Mercedes (i think) and Infinity cruise controls as a laser signal... if there is enough bleed over to be detected, could the jamming also bleed over and affect them?

here's hoping that the intensity of the return signal would 'convince' the cruise control that they were overly close, and slow the vehicle down...


either or -- given the popularity of both of these systems (as they continue to develop), i hope the engineers were thinking that day...
Reply
Old May 5, 2005 | 03:02 PM
  #5  
SheDrivesIt's Avatar
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,061
Likes: 324
From: Land of Cincinnati Chili
Default

Hell, I think cruise control is great. The S is a little tight and every once in a while I can pop on the cruise, get up, go to the back, stretch my legs a little, get a beer out of the fridge, then get back to driving.
Reply
Old May 5, 2005 | 04:12 PM
  #6  
modifry's Avatar
Honorary Member
Gold Member (Premium)
20 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,121
Likes: 3
From: Indian Land SC
Default

If laser jammers caused laser cruise to malfunction, then laser speed guns would probably do the same. Jammers only work because they're on the same frequency as the speed guns.

If ANY jamming of the laser signal caused the laser cruise to malfunction then an idiot designed it, another idiot OK'd it, and another idiot paid to build it. Now that I think about it that way, it sounds more and more plausible.
Reply
Old May 5, 2005 | 04:20 PM
  #7  
modifry's Avatar
Honorary Member
Gold Member (Premium)
20 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 2,121
Likes: 3
From: Indian Land SC
Default

Originally Posted by tizbad2k,May 5 2005, 02:06 PM
no offense to those that use the CC but i think that it shouldnt even be an option on cars. Using cruise control implies that you would rather relax or sleep instead of actually drive the car.


And if recent cruise control systems are laser controlled, then the only way that laser jamming would cause an accident is if the person was asleep or semi-retarded. Both of which are are good enough reasons to have someones license taken away, imo.
No offense taken, but you could just as well argue that driving an automatic implies you would rather relax than drive the car. Or power steering or power brakes for that matter. Hell, let's bring back manual ignition advance and REALLY drive our cars, no more of this "relaxing and just stepping on the gas pedal" stuff.
Reply
Old May 5, 2005 | 10:24 PM
  #8  
NFRs2000NYC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Former Moderator
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 18,852
Likes: 1
From: New York
Default

First of all, if I am driving 65mph for 3 hours, top down, enjoying the sun, you better believe I am putting that thing in cruise. I love the fact that the s2000 has cruise control, and I use it all the time. I am not in speed racer mode 24/7.

Anyway, back on topic....
modifry..

Arent laser jammers designed to sense, and jam any type of laser signal (within a given range I guess)....

Technically, its probably engineered to shut off (cruise control) if it senses any kind of interference.

Correct me if I am wrong...

1)The V1 and the 8500 both detect The benzes and the FXs.
2)The V1 and the 8500 detect cop lasers.
3)The jammers are built to jam cop lasers...

THus....the jammers "can" jam the car lasers.. It seems like its all the same freq...

I wish someone here had a car with this feature, so we can sue for millions...
Reply
Old May 7, 2005 | 02:21 PM
  #9  
PJK3's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 7,584
Likes: 1
From: Baton Rouge, LA
Default

but i think the detectors are built to detect over a much larger range than the actual devices... (which is why noise can be a problem)

i doubt the jammers use such a broad range...

and like modifry mentioned (and i commented on earlier) this would have to have been thru many levels of QA/QC before it hit the streets. i'd guess it would have been caught.
Reply
Old May 7, 2005 | 11:22 PM
  #10  
WLAURENT's Avatar
Former Moderator
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 3,677
Likes: 1
From: Mesa
Default

I guess the first news worthy evernt will be when a cop shoots laser at a LaserCC equipped car and it slows for no apparent reason, the operator thinks something is wrong, freaks out, and nails the brakes, 2 cars go slamming into the back of it, and Mercedes and Infinity execute a recall to remove the systems from all vehicles.

As Modifry stated, "the more I think about it, the more plausible it is"

I love my cruise control - did you know it actually works at $1.35
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:35 PM.