Looking for recommended Stereo Components
Originally Posted by bborzell,Oct 8 2005, 08:43 AM
What's misleading about a subjective statement? Misleading is when someone states information as a fact that is not supported by evidence. I said that I am satisfied that the sound I get is close to or equal to what one might expect from a smaller sub mounted in the trunk. You would be hard pressed to disprove my listening experience.
How much <40 Hz music do you think occurs in music today? Unless you listen to a lot of YoYo Ma, there is relatively little such source material. Most of what passes for sub sound today is simply EQ'ed and amplified noise.
I have 2 sets of Energy Pro22 Reference Connoissuers in my media room. They are 25 years old and were famous for producing clear and clean <40 Hz sound out of 6 1/2" drivers. While comparing 75 lb. speakers that cost $3,000 in 1982 to $500 drivers mounted in a car door is close to apples and oranges, the point still remains that some 6 1/2" drivers can produce very competent low end and that might be enough for some folks.
By the way, how can "EQing" a signal improve its accuracy? It might make it more pleasing to your ear, but changing the originally recorded signal is pretty far from my interpretation of the term "accurate reproduction".
How much <40 Hz music do you think occurs in music today? Unless you listen to a lot of YoYo Ma, there is relatively little such source material. Most of what passes for sub sound today is simply EQ'ed and amplified noise.
I have 2 sets of Energy Pro22 Reference Connoissuers in my media room. They are 25 years old and were famous for producing clear and clean <40 Hz sound out of 6 1/2" drivers. While comparing 75 lb. speakers that cost $3,000 in 1982 to $500 drivers mounted in a car door is close to apples and oranges, the point still remains that some 6 1/2" drivers can produce very competent low end and that might be enough for some folks.
By the way, how can "EQing" a signal improve its accuracy? It might make it more pleasing to your ear, but changing the originally recorded signal is pretty far from my interpretation of the term "accurate reproduction".
Originally Posted by MR_ASDF,Oct 7 2005, 08:32 PM
bborzell im not here to argue or start a flame, i simply stated my input. no where in my post did i try to offend you so why are you being so defensive. i can already see that you wont see my way and i wont see yours so there is no point in arguing.
Had you stated your opinion as such, I would have not batted an eye. You didn't do that. You stated it as a fact and clearly implied that I didn't know what sound quality was.
Whether we ever agree on what constitutes high sound quality is unimportant. What is important is your apparent belief that your opinions are facts and other people's subjective views that you disagree with have to be "corrected". That is your problem, not mine.
Consider this a flame, if you will. I consider it at least as valid a statement as your criticism of my opinion on sound quality.
Originally Posted by MR_ASDF,Oct 7 2005, 08:32 PM
i dont mean to be an ass, but i feel those are some misleading statements.
those focal drivers you speak of cannot play down to the same freq level as a subwoofer. therefore cannot be nearly the same as an 8" woofer. if they did, your midrange would be muffled as hell.
that setup without a real eq cannot be high in sound quality and will lack accurate reproduction.
synthetica, i dont really get your question... are you saying that you have 1000 to spend on the amplfiers alone?
those focal drivers you speak of cannot play down to the same freq level as a subwoofer. therefore cannot be nearly the same as an 8" woofer. if they did, your midrange would be muffled as hell.
that setup without a real eq cannot be high in sound quality and will lack accurate reproduction.
synthetica, i dont really get your question... are you saying that you have 1000 to spend on the amplfiers alone?
let me ask you a question, does the interior of a car serve as a perfect room for a system that is trying to achieve accurate reproduction? do you feel an eq is neccessary to achieve maximum accurate reproduction?
so what is sound quality to you? what is your definition of sound quality. dont tell me your background because there are people who have been in audio for a long time and still do not know what good sound is. just define sound quality to you.
you stated your system to be "very high in sound quality", i disagree. do you have a problem with someone having a different opinion than you? if so, youre an asshole. as a matter of fact, if your system is very high in sound quality, what is higher than that? tell me about a system that offers higher sound quality than yours, and please answer the question, i really want to see if you know what the hell youre talking about. explain the way it sounds to me as well.
synthetica,
I'm very curious to know what you think of your system and how your system sounds. I'm going to get a very simular setup in my S2, with Alpine equipment.
Can you hear the sub from the trunk??? Are the 171A door speakers sounding clean and clear??? I'm going for the CDA-9851 head unit as I don't care for the glide touch myself.
Thanks
I'm very curious to know what you think of your system and how your system sounds. I'm going to get a very simular setup in my S2, with Alpine equipment.
Can you hear the sub from the trunk??? Are the 171A door speakers sounding clean and clear??? I'm going for the CDA-9851 head unit as I don't care for the glide touch myself.
Thanks
Originally Posted by MR_ASDF,Oct 9 2005, 06:44 PM
in the beginning i stated that i feel that way. i already apologized to you yet you still want to be an ass. taking advantage of the nice guy huh.
let me ask you a question, does the interior of a car serve as a perfect room for a system that is trying to achieve accurate reproduction? do you feel an eq is neccessary to achieve maximum accurate reproduction?
so what is sound quality to you? what is your definition of sound quality. dont tell me your background because there are people who have been in audio for a long time and still do not know what good sound is. just define sound quality to you.
you stated your system to be "very high in sound quality", i disagree. do you have a problem with someone having a different opinion than you? if so, youre an asshole. as a matter of fact, if your system is very high in sound quality, what is higher than that? tell me about a system that offers higher sound quality than yours, and please answer the question, i really want to see if you know what the hell youre talking about. explain the way it sounds to me as well.
let me ask you a question, does the interior of a car serve as a perfect room for a system that is trying to achieve accurate reproduction? do you feel an eq is neccessary to achieve maximum accurate reproduction?
so what is sound quality to you? what is your definition of sound quality. dont tell me your background because there are people who have been in audio for a long time and still do not know what good sound is. just define sound quality to you.
you stated your system to be "very high in sound quality", i disagree. do you have a problem with someone having a different opinion than you? if so, youre an asshole. as a matter of fact, if your system is very high in sound quality, what is higher than that? tell me about a system that offers higher sound quality than yours, and please answer the question, i really want to see if you know what the hell youre talking about. explain the way it sounds to me as well.
While I wasn't looking for nor expected an apology (perhaps something like, "Oh, I understand your point" would have sufficed), I have been unable to discern an apology in anything you have written.
As I said earlier, this exchange left the realm of "sound quality" long ago. If I had the impression that you really accepted the differences between fact and opinion, there might be some value in offering my views of sound quality and what it means to me. Nothing you have said so far serves to support that impression.
From your introduction of the meaningful term "asshole" into the discussion, it is clear that "being right" is more important to you than having an true exchange of ideas. With that sort of attitude, you might well survive in the car audio industry, but I doubt that real success will be in your future until you get a few basics down about human communication.
"I feel" has nothing to do with facts, opinions, thoughts or beliefs.
Technically speaking, it does convey an opinion (this coming from my fiance' who has her Masters in English Literature).
Lets not split hairs here....we do not need another flame war. ASDF says that for the MOST accurate reproduction, you need an EQ. No one here should debate that. If they do, they are idiots. bborzell stated that his is (in his opinion) high quality (to his standards). I dont think that setup will be winning and SPL contests, though. This whole thing is subjective to individual ears.
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