4" exhaust?
Originally Posted by btstone84,Sep 22 2009, 08:21 AM
well, im well above both of you guys and i run 3 inch. my TQ is also crazy. i think i will stick with my theory
An ideal exhaust design would have a constant mach number around .2 and the amount of air you would flow at 650 crank hp equates to almost exactly that assuming a 16ga tube with a 4" OD... what that means is anywhere you have over ~585whp you SHOULD be using a 4" exhaust. Without redoing all my calcs I would guess that anything over 425 would benefit from a 3.5" exhaust. Of course there might be something to gain from having a smaller exhaust before the turbo spools when your in the 300-350 range so maybe some spool could be gained. In the end though if your making 550+ a 4" exhaust is going to net you a better powerband.
Theory's that contradict textbooks are almost always wrong
Originally Posted by Momentum,Sep 22 2009, 09:43 AM
I'm sorry but it's not really a new theory its established physics...
An ideal exhaust design would have a constant mach number around .2 and the amount of air you would flow at 650 crank hp equates to almost exactly that assuming a 16ga tube with a 4" OD... what that means is anywhere you have over ~585whp you SHOULD be using a 4" exhaust. Without redoing all my calcs I would guess that anything over 425 would benefit from a 3.5" exhaust. Of course there might be something to gain from having a smaller exhaust before the turbo spools when your in the 300-350 range so maybe some spool could be gained. In the end though if your making 550+ a 4" exhaust is going to net you a better powerband.
Theory's that contradict textbooks are almost always wrong
An ideal exhaust design would have a constant mach number around .2 and the amount of air you would flow at 650 crank hp equates to almost exactly that assuming a 16ga tube with a 4" OD... what that means is anywhere you have over ~585whp you SHOULD be using a 4" exhaust. Without redoing all my calcs I would guess that anything over 425 would benefit from a 3.5" exhaust. Of course there might be something to gain from having a smaller exhaust before the turbo spools when your in the 300-350 range so maybe some spool could be gained. In the end though if your making 550+ a 4" exhaust is going to net you a better powerband.
Theory's that contradict textbooks are almost always wrong

you can make over 1000 on 3"... doesn't mean it's ideal
That's along the lines of saying don't buy slicks I run 10's on street tires
Of course it's possible I should just throw my old textbooks away they are probably wrong, I can't believe no engineer in the past decade has noticed and corrected that problem
That's along the lines of saying don't buy slicks I run 10's on street tires
Of course it's possible I should just throw my old textbooks away they are probably wrong, I can't believe no engineer in the past decade has noticed and corrected that problem
Originally Posted by Momentum,Sep 22 2009, 07:54 AM
For example a 6" tube on a 400hp car is going to allow the exhaust gas to rapidly expand, cool, and lose velocity which in turn will create back pressure.
Your well into the area where 4" will see gains, I make right at 600whp and I'm running a 4"
Your well into the area where 4" will see gains, I make right at 600whp and I'm running a 4"
The act of too big of exhaust does what your explanation in tales, but that
[QUOTE=s2000Junky,Sep 22 2009, 01:00 PM] Turbulence is a better word for what your describing I do believe. 2" on a 400hp car would be better described as a back pressure scenario, your right.
The act of too big of exhaust does what your explanation in tales, but that
The act of too big of exhaust does what your explanation in tales, but that
Originally Posted by Soul Coughing,Sep 22 2009, 10:14 AM
Those exhaust pulses don't mean too much after they've been thrown from a collector into a exhaust turbo housing and pushed an impeller spinning at 100,000rpm.
Originally Posted by sbrodacz,Sep 22 2009, 01:00 PM
Andy, bstone is another one of those who has to argue with everyone and always thinks hes rights.
Its actually funny to read his posts because like in the case of him calling out physics...thats hilarious. Physics dont lie...when making a certain amount of power which momentum stated a 4" exhaust would actually increase power. But since Bstone doesnt work on his own car and has a well known shop do it for him we know that what he has to say holds about as much water a a tin can shot with a shotgun.







