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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by stitos2k,Jul 18 2006, 08:41 AM
NO get your facts straight, I'm RIGHT.

Call up honda and see what they say. It WILL void the warranty, end of story.

Comptech gives you warranty that if installed by a certified honda reseller that it won't blow your engine, NOT honda. Your honda drivetrain warranty is history if the dealer informs them of the SC'r when warranty work is requested. Don't confuse the two.

According to Magnusson Moss Act (sp?) they have to prove it was the SC'r, but I've never seen them NOT get away with blaming an aftermarket add-on.
No, in fact, you are wrong and talking from your ass.

Here is Comptech's phone number -- (916) 939-9118.

I just got off the phone with Nick at Comptech and he says that so long as their kit is installed professionally and you don't crank up the stock boost level it DOES NOT void Honda's warranty. Period.

He went on to say that they have Honda and Acura dealers coast to coast installing their blowers on brand new cars and selling them on the lots. So if Honda and Acura dealers sell cars brand new with these parts installed, your claim is that it's done without a new car warranty from Honda?



Check your facts before you blow up threads like this.
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 11:44 AM
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Guys, please take a look at this page.

Originally Posted by http://pt-tuning.com/policies/Magn-Moss-Act.html
No aftermarket part or accessory that is properly installed on your vehicle will entirely void your original vehicle manufacturers warranty. According to the provisions in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty - Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act, It is the dealership's responsibility to prove that your modification directly caused or affected the failure you are trying to resolve.
Honda cannot void your warrenty because you have modified the car, so Comptech or anyone else can truthfully say that the manufacturer will honor the warrenty after their products are installed. This doesn't take any special agreement between the parties involved and applies to Vortech or even LoveFab, because it's the law.

When the spit hits the spam the dealer gets first call. If you go FI and then twist an axle most dealers will rightly point to the FI as a contributing factor. If your alternator goes out and they try to blame the FI then you've got a valid complaint. Many dealers will do repairs in the interest of good will, even if they think mods have contributed to the problem(s). When they do, they may or may not submit the claims to Honda, and Honda may or may not honor the claims. Just because Honda rejects a claim does not necessarily mean that the dealer won't eat the expense. I'm sure there are at least a few Honda dealerships that will refuse any claim if a car has FI, but they're not on very firm ground.

Bottom line is that *YES*, Honda still honors the warrenty after a Comptech SC is installed, but that's not as much of a big deal as it might seem once you understand *why* they still honor the warrenty. It is not because they have some special deal with Comptech, it's because the law requires them to honor the warrenty unless a modification actually contributes to a failure that would normally be covered.
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Jul 18 2006, 02:44 PM
Guys, please take a look at this page.

Originally Posted by http://pt-tuning.com/policies/Magn-Moss-Act.html
No aftermarket part or accessory that is properly installed on your vehicle will entirely void your original vehicle manufacturers warranty. According to the provisions in the Magnuson-Moss Warranty - Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act, It is the dealership's responsibility to prove that your modification directly caused or affected the failure you are trying to resolve.
Honda cannot void your warrenty because you have modified the car, so Comptech or anyone else can truthfully say that the manufacturer will honor the warrenty after their products are installed. This doesn't take any special agreement between the parties involved and applies to Vortech or even LoveFab, because it's the law.

When the spit hits the spam the dealer gets first call. If you go FI and then twist an axle most dealers will rightly point to the FI as a contributing factor. If your alternator goes out and they try to blame the FI then you've got a valid complaint. Many dealers will do repairs in the interest of good will, even if they think mods have contributed to the problem(s). When they do, they may or may not submit the claims to Honda, and Honda may or may not honor the claims. Just because Honda rejects a claim does not necessarily mean that the dealer won't eat the expense. I'm sure there are at least a few Honda dealerships that will refuse any claim if a car has FI, but they're not on very firm ground.

Bottom line is that *YES*, Honda still honors the warrenty after a Comptech SC is installed, but that's not as much of a big deal as it might seem once you understand *why* they still honor the warrenty. It is not because they have some special deal with Comptech, it's because the law requires them to honor the warrenty unless a modification actually contributes to a failure that would normally be covered.
Exactly.
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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And even by Red Mx5's post you are incorrect Geist. Comptech is only telling you HALF the truth. They can't immediately take away your warranty, but if something on your drivetrain breaks they can use the SC'r as an excuse not to cover it. They are NOT obligated to cover it just because a dealership installed it, which is what you've been arguing in your posts.

There is no magical agreement with comptech covering these things, reguardless of who installed it.

Honda has and will deny a warranty on the drivetrain after a comptech sc'r is installed. If you have a drivetrain problem, all they say you put on a mod that adds 100hp to the drivetrain and that's what broke it.

So last time, Honda can deny your drivetrain warranty for the sc'r. Doesn't mean they will, but it doesn't mean they won't. They aren't obligated to cover potential damages of a comptech sc'r. More often than not, it's really up to how good a service rep your dealing with on whether they pay for it or not.

And next time you want to find out about honda's warranty, call honda
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by stitos2k,Jul 18 2006, 03:26 PM
And even by Red Mx5's post you are incorrect Geist. Comptech is only telling you HALF the truth. They can't immediately take away your warranty, but if something on your drivetrain breaks they can use the SC'r as an excuse not to cover it. They are NOT obligated to cover it just because a dealership installed it, which is what you've been arguing in your posts.

There is no magical agreement with comptech covering these things, reguardless of who installed it.

Honda has and will deny a warranty on the drivetrain after a comptech sc'r is installed. If you have a drivetrain problem, all they say you put on a mod that adds 100hp to the drivetrain and that's what broke it.

So last time, Honda can deny your drivetrain warranty for the sc'r. Doesn't mean they will, but it doesn't mean they won't. They aren't obligated to cover potential damages of a comptech sc'r. More often than not, it's really up to how good a service rep your dealing with on whether they pay for it or not.

And next time you want to find out about honda's warranty, call honda
You used the word VOID and adding this part DOES NOT void your Honda warranty.

True or not?
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 03:46 PM
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LOL, you guys need to quit worrying about who was right and who was wrong. All that matters is that the situation is clear to everyone now. Once this thread dies off nobody is going to remember (or care) who was right and who was wrong, so why not just let it go?
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by geists2k,Jul 18 2006, 05:44 PM
You used the word VOID and adding this part DOES NOT void your Honda warranty.

True or not?
THAT I will give you. It was an ill considered word on my part.

But you've also been arguing that if a dealer installs the sc'r that Honda will cover the any damages, which is the basis of my arguement. They are not required to, you've been saying that if a dealer installs it, Honda is OK with it and basically considers it OEM. They do not.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Jul 18 2006, 07:46 PM
LOL, you guys need to quit worrying about who was right and who was wrong. All that matters is that the situation is clear to everyone now. Once this thread dies off nobody is going to remember (or care) who was right and who was wrong, so why not just let it go?
Arguements are good for you, it makes your brain work. Besides, it's not like I'm holding a grudge against the Geist, I just disagree with him.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by stitos2k,Jul 19 2006, 07:57 AM
Arguements are good for you, it makes your brain work. Besides, it's not like I'm holding a grudge against the Geist, I just disagree with him.
No ill will here either.

The only point is that when you jump into a thread and make a statement like "it will void your warranty" it is going to scare a guy off from adding a mod like the Comptech or Vortech kit, both of which have proven to be (if installed correctly) a safe, excellent power adding mod.

I get your point about shady dealers trying to squirm out of paying for a drivetrain failure if the SC kit is installed. But tell me they don't do this anyway on an S2000 that is bone stock and the diff is fragged or has been over-revved like hell.

Anyway, that's all I have left for this one.
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 04:43 PM
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As to the OP:

I have about 8,000 miles on mine since installing the CT SC/AC. No problems whatsoever. I drive it pretty tame most of the time, and only about 5,000 miles a year. The nice thing about the SC is, as long as you're below VTEC, the engine isn't seeing much boost so what you basically have is a Dr. Jeckyl daily driver below 5,000 rpm and a Mr. Hyde for when you want to fly through some canyons, track, whatever. I don't know the exact number of owners with CT and VT SC's but it must number in the hundreds by now and the general sense has been these kits are reliable. The shop you're dealing with clearly doesn't know much about the car because of the
" OMGZORRZ you can't put a SC on the almighty S2000, it has too high a CR, it's at the maximum physical limit of an internal combustion engine at 120hp/L" (not even close, btw).

The warranty was a big issue for me. Mostly because I just don't have the TIME to be hassling with dealers, Honda or whatever to get a broken car fixed. It was less about the money as the time spent screwing around. Also, suppose it runs 'rough' after a SC install and you take it to a dealer. You think a Honda tech that barely knows how to do a proper alignment on a STOCK S2000, will know how to troubleshoot one with a SC? (Personal experience with the alignment at Honda dealer x 2).

I, too, heard about the so-called "Honda will warranty the car if a dealer installs the Comptech SC." This sounded reasonable, let's say like a TRD SC on a Scion. I called 4-5 dealers in the Bay Area to ask about installing the SC and warranty. All of them, every single service manager said, if there is a problem with the powertrain, it will not be covered by Honda's warranty. Again, I can't speak for every Honda service dept. in the country, only for the ones within reasonable driving distance from me.

I had the SC installed at Comptech and talked to the folks there about this too. Comptech, of course, warrants their parts and, in my case, the install. They seemed like cool folks at Comptech, I trust their work.

My recommendation, if you're going to get a dealer to install it under the assumption that the factory bumper to bumper warranty is intact, make sure to get it in writing before handing over your keys. If they're willing to do that, you're all set!

Now, who covers a cracked block from a bracket without bushings
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