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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 12:24 PM
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Car is a stock ap1 2001 with test pipe and aem v2 intake.

I've looked at the greddy kits that pop up for sale used and basically 280-305whp is what they produce. Our cars in ap1 form make 180-200whp stock ish. So 100extra wheel horse is what you get from a greddy kit.

This appeals to me because my days of hauling ass and drag racing are over. To have a little more power would really make this car fun. So I started looking. Even the most basic kits are thousands of dollars with no fuel management.

So I turned to the Internet. This is what I found.

The companies names and prices are slightly off because the links are at work

Either pfab or fbm has a stainless log mani in top mount with a 38mm Wg port on sale for 430ish

Add a 3 inch down pipe for 300ish

Tread stone sells an inter cooler piping kit with inter cooler and hks bov flange for 550ish. 2.5 pipes. Ic good to 550. Bar/plate.

Turbos. They are everywhere. I was thinking a holset hx30/35 or something close, but holset has blown up since I was last in the turbo scene. Prices are higher. So maybe to garret. They seem to run around 600 ish. I would want a t3 housing with a larger exhaust side.

Id1000 injectors are like 120 on someone's website. Although to do have e85 everywhere. So maybe id2000.

Then the tricky part. Ems.

My goal for this build is 300-320whp. Why? Stock clutch. A stock clutch will slip before it has time to mangle a tyranny or rear end with to much power. Like I said bef
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 12:27 PM
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Like I said before I wouldn't be racing it.

So with ems. Would a greddy emanage ultimate work? Do I NEED aem ems? Talk to me.

I know most will say why not buy a used greddy kit for my power goals. Well.

The car is high milage. And it will eventually let go. At 300 I'm not forcing it to let go overly soon. But when it does and I build the motor, I'd like to be able to make minimal changes to make bigger power. With the greddy, 300 is it.

Plus I'm not a fan of cheap shit. I don't need top of the line. But the greddy seems cheapish.

So talk to me about this setup. Thoughts and ideas.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 12:32 PM
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Also forgot to mention. Hks Ssqv is preferred. I know tials don't leak. But I prefer the Piece of mind of a pull style that is pushed closed during boost, then a push style bov.

Larger exhaust turbine housing? I want to limit torque. Torque and low rpm has a chance to bend or break things. I'm ok with waiting a little longer for the power in exchange to also keep egt's down.

I would like to run minimum psi to get to 300. Again pressure in the cylinder can break things. cFM doesn't. So low psi high cfm is ideal.

Wastegate will probably just be a tial. They newer break. Walbro fuel pump.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 12:34 PM
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The stock clutch wont be able to hold 300whp. If you wanted to do E85 you could stick with 1000cc injectors. Those would support close to 500whp on e85.

Borg Warner puts out reasonably priced turbos that are pretty good for the money.

For the EMS you should spend the money and buy something good. Used AEM ems's pop up all the time. I would look into that.

You will also need a fuel pump, map sensor, wastegate (if it isn't included in the manifold that you purchase), and an AFR gauge at the least
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 12:45 PM
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ID injectors are more like $120 apiece, not for a set of four. ID 1000's on e85 can get you well into the 500 whp range, no need for 2000's with your goal. The emanage will work fine, but AEM offers more options. Ask your tuner what engine management he is most comfortable with. Greddy kits are actually very reliable but definitely are limited in power. How much do you have to spend?
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 06:32 PM
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Well if I build the kit I can spread the cost up. Versus dropping 2700-3500 upfront on used greddy kit. I'm ok spending more then that over time aquirering parts.

I'm sure there are little things I need but I mainly meant the big parts. Injectors at 120$ a piece, must have read the ad wrong. Ill research.

I thought I read most people on the greddy kit uses a stock clutch. That changes things a bit. Id like a low upgrade then.

What kind of duty cycle will 1000s be at for 3-350whp on e85? I don't want to run them near max. Again I want to build a kit that produces the power I want without stressing anything.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 06:39 PM
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I don't know exact numbers but the 1000's are more than capable of making 350whp on E85. Even 400-450whp you would be alright.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 06:46 PM
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you can always look for a used kit.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 10:36 AM
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Aem v1 plug and play? Good system for what I want to do? Member offered me one at what seems like a good price. Considering jumping on it.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 12:45 PM
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The aem V1 is more than suitable for your needs. If its a good price grab it.
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