Built block prior to going FI
Originally Posted by Asura,Jan 15 2006, 05:58 PM
I just meant the Ti valves in general for boost. Same goes for Ti rods.
Really? I would not have thought that con rod temperatures got more than a few hundred degrees. I never worried about heat cycling when considering material selection. First choice to make in picking a rod is material, and tied to this is production method (forging usually), heat treatment, surface prep (polish parting lines to relieve stress risers and then shot peening for strength), and geometry (H or I-beam). Strength of material determines required size and weight. Size affects clearance and windage. Weight limits redline due to acceleration forces. Titanium rods have been used for years in endurance race engines due to great strength/weight ratio. This includes GP and Superbike motorcycle engines with much higher redlines and acceleration forces than our f20c. This may not be the hot setup today, though.
The purpose of lightening rotating or reciprocating assemblies is if you want to increase rpm capability. Go with steel for strength and durability. You can gain a little power from using lighter components other than the extra revs but not enough to be worth it in most cases.
Originally Posted by snakeeater,Jan 17 2006, 08:57 AM
Titanium rods have been used for years in endurance race engines due to great strength/weight ratio. This includes GP and Superbike motorcycle engines with much higher redlines and acceleration forces than our f20c. This may not be the hot setup today, though.
Ti is fine to race on even with boost, but unless you have major sponsors for your street car, race components giving smaller gains and requiring frequent rebuilds and costing 3-4X the 4340 parts are more trouble than they are worth.
I can't imagine pulling a motor apart to magnaflux the rods on a street car

"They're fine, we'll do it again next oil change..."
Originally Posted by steven975,Jan 15 2006, 06:51 PM
You do know that titanium retainers are only going to be good for about 10K miles before they start to gall, right?
Originally Posted by 2QYK4U,Jan 15 2006, 06:37 PM
^ Can you please provide me with some feedback Slow?
I'd probably buy a LoveFab kit with a 2mm gasket and run the motor untill it breaks, then build a new one. The OEM shortblock is built to tighter tolerances than what many shops can hold.
Originally Posted by Slows2k,Jan 17 2006, 04:39 PM
A lower Compression ratio motor NA will make less power than stock.
I'd probably buy a LoveFab kit with a 2mm gasket and run the motor untill it breaks, then build a new one. The OEM shortblock is built to tighter tolerances than what many shops can hold.
I'd probably buy a LoveFab kit with a 2mm gasket and run the motor untill it breaks, then build a new one. The OEM shortblock is built to tighter tolerances than what many shops can hold.
I am interested in the Full-Race Stage 3 GT turbo kit. If I don't build the engine prior to going FI, I'd probably keep the boost down to about 8-10 psi, get used to the added power, and then build the motor / crank the boost.
BTW...what is the purpose behind a 2mm gasket? I am not a mechanic so please excuse my ignorance.










