Hello fello AP2 owners, this one is a question for you.

To start, I'll give you my simple question: Will this kit work for my car?

Now, for the story and details:
I'm a DBW 2006 owner, and I've been given the opportunity to buy a used brand new Vortech V2 super charger. The original owner purchased the kit for his car way back in 2008 and never had a chance to install it on his AP1. He was running N02 and blew up his car before the kit even arrived. So he's kept it in his closet in hopes he might one day own another, but with a kid on the way he's decided to move on.

The kicker here is the part number for his kit no longer exists. The part number is: VOR-4HS218-050SQ. The closest I can find on Vortech's website right now is VOR-4HS218-050L. They've changed the final two digits from "SQ" to "L". I don't know what significants this holds on their site, but being an older kit I'm having a hard time tracking down information.

I'm trying to get as much information about the kit because it is located on the opposite coast from me, and I want to be sure this kit will work with little to no modifications/changes before committing.
From what I can gather so far it is a V2 kit which is NOT SL. Meaning I'll have to run oil lines, and from what I've been reading from my great S2K brethren is that this is the better option for long term use.

THE KICKER:
This kit was purchased in 2008 for an AP1. I'm a DBW AP2 owner and I need to know how far from functioning on my car this would be?
The paperwork that came with the kit mentions "2000-2005 and *2007 model years" If this has installation instructions for a 2007 I see no reason it won't work on my 06...
Is there a chance this is a generic install guide?
The instal guide index page doesn't give me a lot of confidence.
I have Hondata FlashPro, and from what I've read that works fine for tuning, but these kits come with a "black box" which does some ECU black management and has something to do with a 5th injector? That just sounds like a bunch of madness. I'd love clarification here.


I have lots of photos to share, I'd really like anyone's thoughts who can weight in here.

P.S. He says he sprays WD40 in it occasionally to keep it in good shape. Not sure if this is a good idea or not, but at least his intentions are good.

 

Since you already have a way to tune it then you're fine. SC trim superchargers are a bit more efficient than regular S trim blowers and can safely be spun to 53000rpm, whereas the S trim is rated for 50000.
No need to install the black box, or the FPR. Looks like this kit also comes with a bigger heat exchanger rather than the tiny vortech one; get a better flowing pump for it and you should be good to go. Put a 3.4" pulley on and you're knocking on 400whp's door.

 

I am pushing 400 whps 3.6 pulley n 10 psi

 

That is a nice looking kit and everyone's contributions are on point. Though 400whp on 10psi is pretty good for 10 pounds. I think most need 12-14 psi pulleys to break 400.

The upgraded heat exchanger could use a better water pump as mentioned. Most upgrade to the bosch unit that was used in the blown mustang. They are easy to find. If you have the spare cash, I'd also suggest nylon braided water lines. Yeah, they are pricey and way overkill, but I found the convenience of extra flexibility (and hence no kinks) nice to work with.

If you think you're going to EVER want more than 400whp, just upgrade your pulley system now. The biggest you can increase the crank pulley is 6.5" without needing a new water pump pulley. You can go 6.75" if you slightly overdrive the water pump (it's under driven stock). Larger than that and you'll have to modify the bracketry. I'd suggest going to 8 rib. You'll need to space the blower out about 0.25" (if you don't offset the crank pulley any). ASP in Texas can make all the pulleys you need. They have already made them for others and shouldn't need to invent anything for you.

edit: Forgot to add, if you do decide to go this route, I'd strongly encourage you to pick up extra support that holds the vtec screen. There is a group buy going on for them in the FI for sale section, and vortech doesn't make replacements anymore. This piece is known to wear out.

 

Yea looks like you have a V2 Tuner kit for 00-03. I would think that most of the stuff is usable for your 06, like the brackets, blower, charge cooler/heat exchanger, pulleys and belt.

The install guide is generic, but you probably have an older version, so you should probably download the latest manual just so you can see what the real differences are between the kit that you have now and what it says you need for an 06', and see if you might be missing anything besides the obvious stuff the tuner kits don't provide.

From what I understand, the V3 is a better street application if you don't have an oil cooler, and the V2 is a better race application if you have an oil cooler. There's probably a bunch of other pros and cons for each one, but if I had a V2, I would get an oil cooler.

Since you have FlashPro already, I think all you need is bigger injectors and a bigger fuel pump. FYI regarding the fuel pump for 06+, if you get AEM or Walbro, you will need to modify/cut a piece within the plastic assembly unit thing that the fuel pump sits in. I heard from another member that the Grams fuel pump is physically small enough so that you don't need to modify the plastic tube. So you should look into that if you want to stay away from cutting or modifying the OEM assembly piece. Also, if you go to 320lph fuel pump, you will need to upgrade the wiring to the fuel pump since OEM wiring is insufficient for a 320lph pump. Check into the Grams 255 pump.

For the pulley, I went with 3.8 per Vortech recommendations to keep the blower at peak efficiency. Going smaller makes it less efficient and will start to over spin blower. The 3.8 put me at just over 10psi, 430hp and 270tq at the wheels.

 

Thanks for all the input guys, most of the advice is very encouraging.

I assure you I'm going to be perfectly happy with 300-350whp. I'm likely going to keep the car as 100% bone stock as possible. It's for street and I only want just a little boost in power for a car I can keep reliably for the next 30 years.

So far recommendations are:
• Larger enjecrors. Would the general recommendation be ID1000?
• Upgrade my fuel pump.
• Add oil cooler
• vtec mount bracket

I saw the bracket on the group buy it looks like a great fix for this known failure part. I just don't want to buy anything like that until I've committed to buying the kit itself.

 

I forgot to ask about the 5th injector what the heck is that all about?

 

ID1000's should be fine. You'll need an upgraded fuel pump if you want to go >350whp as that is where the DBW pump basically runs out of fuel.

Also, if you plan on going >~10psi you'll need a MAP sensor but everything else looks on point. I also doubt you'll need the oil cooler (especially in Canada) unless you're tracking/driving the car hard although doubt it would hurt anything either.

I think the 5th injector was a rigged up way of injecting more fuel with their black box which you will not be using. You can tune everything properly with Flashpro.

 

Hahaha it gets pretty warm up here in the summer, we often get days that are 83°F from mid April thought to the end of August. Like I said before, I'm not looking for crazy power, I want some FI but I also want to bring this car to antique shows later in my life.

ID1000 don't seem like overkill?
How much larger are they than factory?

The blower kit is pretty much outta the box, but the pully included measured roughly 3.25". How many PSI should I be expecting with this?

 

Are you sure the pulley is 3.25 and not 4.25? Mine came with a 4.25 which put me at 8psi. 3.25 seems really small and I think will get really high boost, so you will need a 4 bar map sensor if its really that small. I think the 3.25 pulley with a 6" crank pulley would put you at over 15psi boost. The kit also has a crank pulley included right?

For the injectors, I was running RC650's at 8psi boost and it was great. My tuner told me those would be good for over 400hp too. I dont think ID1000's are overkill, but you will have so much more room to grow if you ever decided you wanted more in the future.