THE OFFICIAL: WATER/METHANOL INJECTION Thread
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THE OFFICIAL: WATER/METHANOL INJECTION Thread
Why Water Methanol Injection?
In gasoline engines, as with any intercooler, this suppresses detonation so more power producing boost and timing can be utilized. Water, with its high latent heat of vaporization cools the intake charge and combustion. Methanol cools the charge and combustion but also acts like an extremely high octane fuel (some researchers claim as high as 120 octane) as well as adding more oxygen to combustion.
In diesels, the effect is three fold: 1. The intercooling effect provides for more available air and all the benefits of a higher positive pressure ratio (more power giving fuel can be utilized safely without high combustion temperatures). 2. The combustion of water provides for more power on the power stroke. 3. Methanol acts as an additional fuel for more power.
A brief History:
Water injection was evaluated scientifically in the 1930.s by H. Ricardo who demonstrated that one can basically double the power output of an engine using water/methanol. The first widespread use was during WWII on supercharged and turbocharged aircraft. In 1942, the German Luftwaffe increased the horsepower of the Focke-Wulf 190D-9 fighter aircraft from 1776HP to 2240HP using 50/50% water/methanol injection. The allies soon followed by fitting the P51 Mustang and other high performance aircraft with water/methanol injection. Following the war, the turboprop aircraft industry used water/methanol injection and called it the "automatic power reserve system (APR)" for use in hot or high altitude take off. It surfaced again in the 60's when GM used a system on the OEM turbo Corvair. It was used effectively in Formula 1 before being banned for adding too much power.
In recent years, water methanol injection has become ever more popular and recognized as an invaluable tool for both gasoline and diesel forced induction engines as well as naturally aspirated applications. While often times referred to as a
In gasoline engines, as with any intercooler, this suppresses detonation so more power producing boost and timing can be utilized. Water, with its high latent heat of vaporization cools the intake charge and combustion. Methanol cools the charge and combustion but also acts like an extremely high octane fuel (some researchers claim as high as 120 octane) as well as adding more oxygen to combustion.
In diesels, the effect is three fold: 1. The intercooling effect provides for more available air and all the benefits of a higher positive pressure ratio (more power giving fuel can be utilized safely without high combustion temperatures). 2. The combustion of water provides for more power on the power stroke. 3. Methanol acts as an additional fuel for more power.
A brief History:
Water injection was evaluated scientifically in the 1930.s by H. Ricardo who demonstrated that one can basically double the power output of an engine using water/methanol. The first widespread use was during WWII on supercharged and turbocharged aircraft. In 1942, the German Luftwaffe increased the horsepower of the Focke-Wulf 190D-9 fighter aircraft from 1776HP to 2240HP using 50/50% water/methanol injection. The allies soon followed by fitting the P51 Mustang and other high performance aircraft with water/methanol injection. Following the war, the turboprop aircraft industry used water/methanol injection and called it the "automatic power reserve system (APR)" for use in hot or high altitude take off. It surfaced again in the 60's when GM used a system on the OEM turbo Corvair. It was used effectively in Formula 1 before being banned for adding too much power.
In recent years, water methanol injection has become ever more popular and recognized as an invaluable tool for both gasoline and diesel forced induction engines as well as naturally aspirated applications. While often times referred to as a
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I like the AEM for the price.
This would be great to couple to my Scramble boost feature. Sounds like I have next summers first project planned. Maybe you could use a t-fitting and spray the intercooler also? Or if it would make enough difference while adding the water.
Great write up, I wish everyone wrote like this.
This would be great to couple to my Scramble boost feature. Sounds like I have next summers first project planned. Maybe you could use a t-fitting and spray the intercooler also? Or if it would make enough difference while adding the water.
Great write up, I wish everyone wrote like this.
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S2kart also runs water/meth on a homemade kit and still hold the record for most wheel HP.
Brilliant holds the TQ record and IMO this is more important than HP.
(Both are for Greddy kits)
Brilliant holds the TQ record and IMO this is more important than HP.
(Both are for Greddy kits)
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My tuner prefers the AIS Stage 2 Digital Progressive Trunk Mount Water Methanol/Alcohol Injection System.
http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com/p10...oduct_info.html
http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com/p10...oduct_info.html
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back in the 70's, the question was about calcium and magnesium deposits in the combustion chamber. (from water evaporating) this prospect I wouldnt like at all.
is this a real concern?
another question, is wether 87 octane (instead of 91 or 93) could be used in conjunction with water/alcohol, methanol etc. to save money at the gas pump?
how long will a tank of water last for street driving?
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Originally Posted by Brutus,Sep 11 2008, 06:05 AM
back in the 70's, the question was about calcium and magnesium deposits in the combustion chamber. (from water evaporating) this prospect I wouldnt like at all.
is this a real concern?
another question, is wether 87 octane (instead of 91 or 93) could be used in conjunction with water/alcohol, methanol etc. to save money at the gas pump?
how long will a tank of water last for street driving?
is this a real concern?
another question, is wether 87 octane (instead of 91 or 93) could be used in conjunction with water/alcohol, methanol etc. to save money at the gas pump?
how long will a tank of water last for street driving?
2. Depends on how your system is mapped. Mine comes on at 5psi. So thus, it depends on how you drive.
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Originally Posted by dsddcd,Sep 10 2008, 10:48 PM
I like the AEM for the price.
This would be great to couple to my Scramble boost feature. Sounds like I have next summers first project planned. Maybe you could use a t-fitting and spray the intercooler also? Or if it would make enough difference while adding the water.
Great write up, I wish everyone wrote like this.
This would be great to couple to my Scramble boost feature. Sounds like I have next summers first project planned. Maybe you could use a t-fitting and spray the intercooler also? Or if it would make enough difference while adding the water.
Great write up, I wish everyone wrote like this.