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Old Dec 27, 2006 | 08:01 PM
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I would be greatful if someone could educate me in SuperCharging the S2K. I have read a fair amount, tried to get self edcuated and still a rookie. I hear about vortech vs comptech, BOV's, EMS, aftercoolers, running high boost, low boost, pulleys and more.... I would love for somone to take a moment and answer the following questions in as basic terms as one can understand. In the comments add some ballpark price points, perf one my get, issues, next steps, mistakes, special points, etc....

1. Starting off with the most basic of SC kit. A few lines on what a basic kit offers, what one can expect in HP gains safe boost to run, ballpark used price for such a kit etc... (what car's can one now expect to keep up with or walk away from even slightly compared to a stock S2K from a roll?)

2. How to take this set up one notch.....price points, what you get for the $$$ and ballpark used prices. Reliability and constant tuning needed here?
(what car's can one now expect to keep up with or walk away from even slightly compared to a stock S2K from a roll?)

3. OK one step up from number 2 above but not off the scale.....is it worth the $$$ and does one get the performance for the $$$ needed to be at this point...
(what car's can one now expect to keep up with or walk away from even slightly compared to a stock S2K from a roll?)

4. The next step before you get into possible reliability issues, constant tuning issues, is this stega ereally worth the step after #3 above....
(what car's can one now expect to keep up with or walk away from even slightly compared to a stock S2K from a roll?)

5. no wuestion here, this being an amazing set up.... maybe some would like to see what people write (within reason and realacting to SC and not whole engine swaps) For me I would be curious for the knowledge but would not be in the price range this stage would take.... I am a stage 1 maybe stage 2 guy...depending on what I get back...
(what car's can one now expect to keep up with or walk away from even slightly compared to a stock S2K from a roll?)

Thank you all very verey much!
Finally if I budgeted 4K total to spend on a SC kit installed what could I do asuming I get most parts used but in great shape.... or will 4K not cut it even for a basic set up? Just don't want to spend XXXX and have the car be only slighly faster then stock...
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 07:50 AM
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Stock boost is 5lbs with Comptech, 7lbs with Vortech. You're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 100hp over the stock setup. It is a BIG difference over stock, not just some small margin, the car is a whole different animal. You'll walk all over cars that were close to you before; 350z, G35, Mustangs. With a stock SC you should be able to run with cars like a C5 Vette and an M3. Reliability does not seem to be an issue at all, atleast it hasn't been with mine. With the stock kit you shouldn't need any tuning and it can handle daily driver duties just like a stock S. I think $4000 is starting to get close to what you'll need, but you many need to pinch your pennies a little longer. It never hurts to have a little leftover after the install as well, never know when that wimpy stock clutch is gonna go.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:21 AM
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4k should get you into a basic used comptech kit. Don't forget that FI will also open the doors to other nesscessary mods, such as a upgraded clutch, increased tire wear, and possibly broken axels/diffs, depending on how you drive. I'd sock away some extra cash in just in case.
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Old Dec 30, 2006 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by scottrunsxc,Dec 29 2006, 04:50 PM
Stock boost is 5lbs with Comptech, 7lbs with Vortech. You're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 100hp over the stock setup. It is a BIG difference over stock, not just some small margin, the car is a whole different animal. You'll walk all over cars that were close to you before; 350z, G35, Mustangs. With a stock SC you should be able to run with cars like a C5 Vette and an M3. Reliability does not seem to be an issue at all, atleast it hasn't been with mine. With the stock kit you shouldn't need any tuning and it can handle daily driver duties just like a stock S. I think $4000 is starting to get close to what you'll need, but you many need to pinch your pennies a little longer. It never hurts to have a little leftover after the install as well, never know when that wimpy stock clutch is gonna go.
Hey thanks, my car has close to 60K miles on it, what would you think about adding a SC to a car with 60K miles...

totally OK?
better doing with an engine with less mileage?
OK but take these steps firts?


Thanks again....

the kit your mentioning above does that include cooler?

Thanks
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Old Dec 30, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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I forget his S/N but someone on this board went with a comptech around 60k miles and had it on till 160k+.
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Old Dec 30, 2006 | 08:49 PM
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[QUOTE=mickfluff,Dec 28 2006, 12:01 AM] 1. Starting off with the most basic of SC kit.
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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 08:54 AM
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I got my Vortech kit used with 12K miles for $2200. One of the black boxes was faulty ($175 for new one on this board), there was no hardware included (~$50-100 at multiple hardware/auto parts stores), and there was no fuel pump included ($70 from this board).

$2645, and a long pain in the ass install (missing hardware etc.) and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Dec 31 2006, 05:49 AM
If you've read as you say you have, then you know what the basic kits offer. Basic sc kit... safe boost? You run with the pulley included. Pricing is all over the board, as in the range varies greatly based on availability and condition. Not going to address other vehicle comparisons.


Don't. If you want more(and we all do once we get a taste of it), don't waste your money on a sc'er.

See answer to #2.

See answer to #2.

This is where mine ended up.


As others have said, $4k isn't going to cut it. If you swap out the stock pulley from either kit, you will need some dyno time- even the 7# pulley for the Comptech. Why? You're running an '02 ECU, and you will be close to maxxing out the injectors.

If you want a sc'er, then get it and leave it stock. You'll have a faster car and still should enjoy many days of driving assuming you don't relentlessly beat on your car. If you're thinking of doing more, don't do it with a sc'er. This is coming from a person who went through all the stages up to just shy of 400 rwhp via a Comptech sc'er.
Just wanted to say thank you very much for taking the time to answer my long winded question. So if I read your comments you stating SC is good but go with a straight forward set up set at stock recomended boost and its a good things.... going from here costs much more $$, head aches, issues, tuning, etc...

Is this right? so for 4K you mentioned it would not be feasable, were you stating for a basic SC set up or stages after a straight forward set up. Thanks again for your input. I want a something more but DO NOT want to get into a world of head aches.....and a world of $$$ on top of $$$ etc...

final question, basic kit installed what could an s2k owner expect? How much fast, mow much more noticible once your up and running (as I rarely if ever get on it from a stop)... again with either a vortech or comptech SC straight forward kit with boost set as it should be NOT cranked up etc....

Thanks again!!!
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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mickfluff,Dec 31 2006, 02:59 PM
Just wanted to say thank you very much for taking the time to answer my long winded question.
You're welcome.
So if I read your comments you stating SC is good but go with a straight forward set up set at stock recomended boost and its a good things.... going from here costs much more $$, head aches, issues, tuning, etc...
Yes.

[QUOTE]So for 4K you mentioned it would not be feasable, were you stating for a basic SC set up or stages after a straight forward set up.
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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 04:58 PM
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With a basic S/C kit you'll be about a second faster in the 1/4 mile.so YES you will notice the difference.



peace
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