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Old Nov 6, 2012 | 12:02 PM
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Im in the process of having to get a new motor. I have already purchased a head with new oem parts and will have that installed tomorrow. Im thinking when I find a block that i can swap with my scored one that i could use it as an opportunity to install the SOS. I have really been wanting to get an SOS SC and after seeing this thread want it even more! My S is my dd and my only car so for that reason I would avoid a TC with all of the routine maintenance and downtime that is usually associated with TC S2k's! I have ridden in a 450 hp t/c s with a fullrace kit and a slow S with a greddy t/c kit. I have not ridden in but have seen/heard the SOS s/c kit and fell in love! What do you guys think on running the SOS kit with a Kpro instead of AEM? I have an 05 so Flashpro is out of the question!
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Old Nov 6, 2012 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Deception
Originally Posted by riceball777' timestamp='1352165912' post='22131839
The ONLY benefit of a centrifigal supercharger over a turbo is that a super charger has much less engine bay heat. There are no other advantages.
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Ive had both setups making ~420whp. Besides reliability issues turbo was superior in every way for a street driven car.

Thank you I was waiting on someone who has actually been down both roads before.

Waiting on teamval to chime in because he is the reason why I won't be adding to my kit and will be selling it once done with school.
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Old Nov 6, 2012 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Moddiction
In general the heat causes turbo have more things go than a sc. Also they make more power down low which is a plus but at the cost of sacrificing some reliability as well.
A turbo setup can be quite reliable as a select few have shown on here but over all you will see at least 10 times more people with turbo having stuff break or blow etc compared to SC. Again mostly due to heat, cheap parts and the added power down low as well as people pushing the limits.
SC can be pretty much a bolt on and forget about it setup which is nice. It all depends what you want out of the car. I've loved having 400whp sc as a daily for about 55k miles now without an issue.

OOOHHHH NO HE DIDN'T COACH. I had my boosted civic stock block go for over 30k miles boosted. I took it on a road trip from RI to FL. There isn't anymore maintenance that has to be down to a S/C then a T/C. If anything it is the same for example with changing out your oil more frequently with both setups. Now you stated why things break but that's the owners fault. As you mentioned above they we're pushing the limits passed what stock parts could handle. EX diff and tranny maybe. Things break on turbo applications because the guys are making way more power then most S/C. How many 400whp plus S/C are there from T/C S? Of course there's more so of course you're going to see more threads of things breaking in T/C S.
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Old Nov 6, 2012 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MrKlean187
Im in the process of having to get a new motor. I have already purchased a head with new oem parts and will have that installed tomorrow. Im thinking when I find a block that i can swap with my scored one that i could use it as an opportunity to install the SOS. I have really been wanting to get an SOS SC and after seeing this thread want it even more! My S is my dd and my only car so for that reason I would avoid a TC with all of the routine maintenance and downtime that is usually associated with TC S2k's! I have ridden in a 450 hp t/c s with a fullrace kit and a slow S with a greddy t/c kit. I have not ridden in but have seen/heard the SOS s/c kit and fell in love! What do you guys think on running the SOS kit with a Kpro instead of AEM? I have an 05 so Flashpro is out of the question!

Clean do as you please. I wish you could get behind the wheel of a T/C and S/C S. You have guys that have been on both sides and as you see it's never go from a T/C to a S/C and their happy. 90 percent of the time they go back to a T/C application. I'm thinking of making a thread to see how many have gone from a T/C to a S/C and are happy?

Yes I have the stage one SOS kit and I'm not making much power. I can tell though at even a low power level that I don't care for the power curve of a S/C. I miss the full boost at 5k all the way to 9k. When I drive my car hard, I'm like where's the boost?lol. Oh there it is it's slowly picking up. When I had my hatch it was oh shit I'm going back to in time.lol.
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Old Nov 6, 2012 | 12:51 PM
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MrKlean187: I have an '05. For KPro, you need to swap out a bunch of sensors and the valve cover. I went with AEM since I live in Caly and want to go back to stock easily for SMOG tests without swapping a bunch of sensors. Good luck!
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Old Nov 6, 2012 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by That Guy 1987
Clean do as you please. I wish you could get behind the wheel of a T/C and S/C S. You have guys that have been on both sides and as you see it's never go from a T/C to a S/C and their happy. 90 percent of the time they go back to a T/C application. I'm thinking of making a thread to see how many have gone from a T/C to a S/C and are happy?

Yes I have the stage one SOS kit and I'm not making much power. I can tell though at even a low power level that I don't care for the power curve of a S/C. I miss the full boost at 5k all the way to 9k. When I drive my car hard, I'm like where's the boost?lol. Oh there it is it's slowly picking up. When I had my hatch it was oh shit I'm going back to in time.lol.
This just simply isn't true. Ask Joey or some of the other high power turbo guys. Many of them have said that if they had to do it again, the would keep an N/A car or get a SC so that they could autocross and have some fun. I have driven a SC and a turbo S. The Turbo is super fun, but it all depends on what your goals are. I want a fun DD and autocross car, so it's SC for me. If I wanted a drag, highway car I'd go turbo.
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Old Nov 6, 2012 | 01:51 PM
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Yeah most high HP turbo S owners I know hardly ever drive the car. They do a few 1/4 mile races and a few highway pulls and then get back to tinkering with stuff. For people that really like to daily their car, auto cross and track it (non 1/4 mile) they would prefer NA or SC. There are very few real track guys that run a turbo setup. I am sure there are MANY more SC track guys out there.
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Old Nov 6, 2012 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cinaibur
Originally Posted by That Guy 1987' timestamp='1352237432' post='22133725
Clean do as you please. I wish you could get behind the wheel of a T/C and S/C S. You have guys that have been on both sides and as you see it's never go from a T/C to a S/C and their happy. 90 percent of the time they go back to a T/C application. I'm thinking of making a thread to see how many have gone from a T/C to a S/C and are happy?

Yes I have the stage one SOS kit and I'm not making much power. I can tell though at even a low power level that I don't care for the power curve of a S/C. I miss the full boost at 5k all the way to 9k. When I drive my car hard, I'm like where's the boost?lol. Oh there it is it's slowly picking up. When I had my hatch it was oh shit I'm going back to in time.lol.
This just simply isn't true. Ask Joey or some of the other high power turbo guys. Many of them have said that if they had to do it again, the would keep an N/A car or get a SC so that they could autocross and have some fun. I have driven a SC and a turbo S. The Turbo is super fun, but it all depends on what your goals are. I want a fun DD and autocross car, so it's SC for me. If I wanted a drag, highway car I'd go turbo.

Originally Posted by rosario717
Very simple!! iF you want a balls out 1/4 mile drag car get a turbo..
if you want a car that has the same exact power curve but much faster and easier to control in every way from daily driving,autocrossing,twists and turns then get a supercharger..

Originally Posted by Moddiction
Yeah most high HP turbo S owners I know hardly ever drive the car. They do a few 1.4 races and a few highway pulls and then get back to tinkering with stuff. For people that really like to daily their car, auto cross and track it (non 1/4 mile) they would prefer NA or SC. There are very few real track guys that run a turbo setup. I am sure there are MANY more SC track guys out there.

I agree with you guys!!! I would much rather be driving the car instead of tinkering with it. I enjoy the car currently as NA and can't imagine not being happy with a s/c!
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Old Nov 6, 2012 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rosario717
Very simple!! iF you want a balls out 1/4 mile drag car get a turbo..
if you want a car that has the same exact power curve but much faster and easier to control in every way from daily driving,autocrossing,twists and turns then get a supercharger..
This is true.
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Old Nov 6, 2012 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cinaibur
Originally Posted by That Guy 1987' timestamp='1352237432' post='22133725
Clean do as you please. I wish you could get behind the wheel of a T/C and S/C S. You have guys that have been on both sides and as you see it's never go from a T/C to a S/C and their happy. 90 percent of the time they go back to a T/C application. I'm thinking of making a thread to see how many have gone from a T/C to a S/C and are happy?

Yes I have the stage one SOS kit and I'm not making much power. I can tell though at even a low power level that I don't care for the power curve of a S/C. I miss the full boost at 5k all the way to 9k. When I drive my car hard, I'm like where's the boost?lol. Oh there it is it's slowly picking up. When I had my hatch it was oh shit I'm going back to in time.lol.
This just simply isn't true. Ask Joey or some of the other high power turbo guys. Many of them have said that if they had to do it again, the would keep an N/A car or get a SC so that they could autocross and have some fun. I have driven a SC and a turbo S. The Turbo is super fun, but it all depends on what your goals are. I want a fun DD and autocross car, so it's SC for me. If I wanted a drag, highway car I'd go turbo.
I autocross my turbo s2000 all the time and it's great and dead reliable. Handles just like stock just with much better bottom end and mid range power. Full boost under 4,000 rpm and 400whp on 91 octane and 500whp on e85. And no I don't ever drag race my car. My car is driven 100+miles a day In Stop and go Los Angeles traffic with ac on all day. The car and bone stock engine has 110,000miles been turbo since 90,000 miles. No problems what so ever. My brothers turbo s2000 has 170,000 miles on the stock engine and it's been fine since its been boosted for the past 20,000 miles.

Like is said in terms of spool, bottom end power, top end power, overall power, drivability and gas Millage turbo is superior with the exception of engine bay heat.

You see all these high power turbo guys breaking the stock diff and transmission. That's not the fault of turbos being unreliable. That people running too much hp for a stock diff or transmission

You see all these turbo guys on here cracking manifolds. That's also not the fault of a turbo being unreliable. That the fault of the owner buying a cheep manifold. A full-race manifold will never crack.
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