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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 07:22 AM
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most turbo's put on the s are not that big though... the novi 1000 on the comtech kit puts out like 850 cfm, i don't think most turbo's that people get for our car puts out that kinda number.
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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 11:45 AM
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Honestly I have been debating buying a Turbo or a SC for over a year....I just recently thouht about it pros and cons

SC my vies on things

Its a complete bolt on...Just update the clutch...Install can be don`t in about 6 hours...You will drive out the same day...If something happends to the Supercharger and it doesn`t boost you can still drive you car it will no hurt it at all....It Doesn`t make boost until about 6K- So you can still get around and not burn more gas then you would if you didn`t have a supercharger.....Thats good because I can`t aford the gas these days....With the Comptech and Vortech you get about 300RWHP on Average with 5PSI (CSC) 7PSI (VSC) and thats about what I would want anyway..Really there is no need for me to go any higher than that on public roads...If I get board I will update the pulley and I am sure that will make me happy because I have had my car for 2 years and its bone stock and it still puts a smile on my face....

Turbos add more Tq,Boost Sooner,Take more time to tune...Normaly when something goes its more of a head ache....SOo you probably wont be driving for a couple of days......most kits run 8PSi and most kit make alittle over 300RWHP...Its more stress on your motor because you under boost for a longer time period of time...all for a Blow off vavle witch you can mount to the comptech and the vortech comes with one I belive....but it does have the ability to make more HP then the supercharger but if you don`t want more then 350-400RWHP then I wouldn`t go turbo just my thoughts peace

My best advice is just figure out what your goals are and what will fit you best
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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 01:36 PM
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Turbo and superchargers are great. If you want to wait for your power until 6,000 rpms, go supercharger. If you want power on tab, go turbo.

My turbo set up at 8lbs makes more torque at 4,000rpms than my supercharger with 9lbs at redline. They both have the same peak #s. It's a big difference, especially for city driving.

Total time it took for my turbo to get tuned, 1 hour. Total time it took for my 9lbs supercharger to get tuned, 3 hours. They both came with base maps. Both tuned with AEM EMS.

Only people that have experience with driving both will tell you straight up. Turbo is the only way to go.


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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 09:00 PM
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^^^ I wouldn't say the only way, but after driving a Vortech aftercooled kit and my LoveFab kit, I know what you are talking about .
Many of you guys got the thing with the boost really wrong. Sure the turbo will spool up sooner and produce full boost from (let me say) 3800rpm-9000rpm, but thats only when you floor it. You can cruise at 100mph and be in vacuum. Now try that with a supercharger and 4.57 gears and show me how you don't stay in boost. Only after driving my turboed S I realized that on turbos, the boost is in your right foot
And regarding daily-drivebility....you just give her a bit of gas in any gear, and she moves. Can't imagine a SC pulling at 4000rpm in 4th gear "just like that"...
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Old Sep 18, 2005 | 07:25 PM
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I had a CTSC with 9psi put on when I first got my S and I was not impressed. So, after about 100 miles I decided to sell it and go turbo. I had a custom turbo setup done and as far as speed is concerned, there is a night and day difference. My turbo is making just a little more power than my SC but about 80whp+ difference at about 5000 rpm's. The power is awesome but having my turbo setup is more work, money, and more problems but if you want crazy power then you would want to go the turbo route. Yes it is possible to get very good numbers with a SC but the power kicks in really late in rpm's. Or at least with my experience with 9 psi.
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Old Sep 19, 2005 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bobmoheb,Jan 25 2005, 03:44 PM
. also the regular comptech and vortech kits come with the novi 1000 blower
This is NOT true.

I keep hearing this repeatedly,They don't even look the same. The 2 kits use entirely different components, brackets, SC units, everything is different.

The Comptech uses a Paxton Novi 1000

The Vortech uses a Vortech V2 SQ
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Old Sep 19, 2005 | 08:58 AM
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the s/c gets its peak power at higher rpm's, but usually has more power, then how would it not be as fast as a turbo... if your racing, your at low rpm's? not from my experience
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Old Sep 19, 2005 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gerdaland,Sep 19 2005, 08:58 AM
but usually has more power
That's why your confused.
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Old Sep 20, 2005 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gerdaland,Sep 19 2005, 08:58 AM
the s/c gets its peak power at higher rpm's, but usually has more power, then how would it not be as fast as a turbo... if your racing, your at low rpm's? not from my experience
Theres this little saying that goes something like this:
"torque wins races, horsepower wins shows"
When you have full torque at 4,000 RPM, nearly 100ft/lb more than a SC car at that RPM, the turbo car will be waving bubye well before the SC car hits its peak torque at 9krpm.
Sure, HP is generally the same, and even the peak TQ, but when the TQ hits sooner, so does acceleration
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Old Sep 21, 2005 | 02:49 PM
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What kind of turbo lag do you experience on the lovefab kit? Note: I'm talking about lag, not boost threshold.

I.e: Lets say you are at full vacuum at 6k rpm for a while. Now, hammer the gas to ask for full boost. How long (timewise) before you actually see full boost.

On the S/C, you're at full boost the instant your foot hits the floor. I don't think this is true for a turbo. (Unless you're using anti-lag on an EMS, which I hear is *VERY* hard on a turbo and your valves).

Although this scenario is fairly rare on the street, it's much more frequent on the track.

For you turbo EMS guys, I would LOVE to see some logged data of the TPS and Engine Load in the above scenario....
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