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Old Oct 16, 2009 | 05:01 PM
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I removed the rear seats out of my last car and replaced them with a carbon fiber false floor. Combined with the CF hood, Lightweight seats, coil overs, brakes, and the CF false floor i saved around 300lbs from the car.

I was able to do a rear seat delete, including the seatbelts, and all mounting hardware and I ended up saving alot of weight with that mod alone. The false floor kept the car from not looking like a tin can on the inside.

Besides i hated friends who bummed rides all the time, so it worked out for me in the long run. I didnt have to carpool my buddies around and I had a lighter car that still looked great. No shame in that.
Old Oct 16, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GrandMasterKhan,Oct 17 2009, 01:01 AM
I removed the rear seats out of my last car and replaced them with a carbon fiber false floor. Combined with the CF hood, Lightweight seats, coil overs, brakes, and the CF false floor i saved around 300lbs from the car.

I was able to do a rear seat delete, including the seatbelts, and all mounting hardware and I ended up saving alot of weight with that mod alone. The false floor kept the car from not looking like a tin can on the inside.

Besides i hated friends who bummed rides all the time, so it worked out for me in the long run. I didnt have to carpool my buddies around and I had a lighter car that still looked great. No shame in that.
what about the girls?!
Old Oct 16, 2009 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by shnibop,Oct 13 2009, 11:44 PM
why are so many people ripping on pwjdm and this product in particular?

99% of people on s2ki mod their car for looks alone

the seat delete saves weight over stock doesn't it? so it's doing what it is intended to do, so what if you add 6-8 lbs of carbon after stripping out 50+?

what's wrong with saving weight but retaining some style/daily drivability?

and the reason the price might be "high" (although i don't think they've published a price) is probably because it costs a FORTUNE to develop and produce carbon parts to the level of quality that pwjdm does. not to mention, they're probably only going to sell a half a dozen of these and therefore they need to recoup the cost, it is a business after all.

the reason civic parts are "cheap" is because there are a million different products and manufacturers out there (and civic owners) buying the shit. s2000 parts are more expensive and limited. bmw parts even more expensive and limited. porsche parts, even more, ferrari even more........ the GTR market isn't HUGE like the civic's for example

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Im 100% with you.

Props to PJDM.
The first on the market making carbon goodies (like them or not) for the GTR.

They are a great company hands down.

It seems a little disrespectful and childish to me to be ripping on PWJDM like this. I know some might not like the product but some of the comments seem a little rediculous.

I personally wouldnt buy this particular product, but I think its a great idea and could cater certain peoples needs/wants.

Dont mean to sound like a tight@ss but I was just a little curious as to why the ripping was so harsh.
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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because people secretly want the parts but aren't willing to sell a kidney to pay for them
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 12:13 PM
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the rear seat covers and other accessories look good, but im so so about the look of the front seats. i think a recaro/bride bucket would look more at home haha. to passwordjdm
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 01:08 PM
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there's a good reason why i don't prefer pwjdm. if you know about carbon fiber, the marketing of it, and process of making it you will know as well. all others who love their cf creation.. stay young, naive, and let your money be taken advantage of. (and their weaves are one of the cheapest shhhh so is their resin shhhh so are all the molds they make.. molds are very easy to make.)

If you guys want a center consol made, i can do for $80. and it will be vacuumed as well and non-ballistic kevlar. But it's only worth it for me if I have group buy of 20 people
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by UmarS2K,Sep 28 2009, 08:55 PM
It looks nothing like a cheep.

Old Oct 20, 2009 | 03:17 PM
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^^^^ is that cartoon from N64??
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by shnibop,Oct 16 2009, 02:31 PM
so is it pathetic that a large majority of people on this forum buy wider (than stock) wheels and tires, and coilovers, and gut their trunks, and install strut tower bars and never track their cars?

by your reasoning, yes, but i don't agree.

fixing up your car has always been a way to express your tastes or "style", everyone has their own reason for wanting certain parts, sometimes it's just for looks. i guarantee pwjdm sells these carbon pieces to people who want them for the weight savings, and people who want them for the dressup aspect.

just get over it, not sure why you're trying to get everyone to agree with your point of view, everyone forms their own opinion. question here is, is it a tasteful mod, or a ricey mod. definitely not rice, in my opinion.
How am I trying to get everyone to agree with me when I made two posts in this thread? Get over what? Just what the fck are you talking about seriously? In the end, you said it yourself, it's just your opinion. Mine was just my opinion. So if you are stating your opinion and don't expect every body to agree with you, then why the **** are you quoting my opinion and telling me your bullshit opinion?

Did I confuse you?
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by shnibop,Oct 13 2009, 11:44 PM
and the reason the price might be "high" (although i don't think they've published a price) is probably because it costs a FORTUNE to develop and produce carbon parts to the level of quality that pwjdm does.
Costs don't always reflect quality. If production of pwjdm REALLY DO cost a fortune and they also sell it for a big cost, then pwjdm really needs to learn alot from Ford's way of reducing material cost and as a result, reducing costs for consumers - let's not forget Rockefeller's oil industry who used less solder to reduce fabrication transporatation / sales costs for his customers. 1 to 3 layers of Carbon Fiber (for example) in their intake, being sold for $3g is an example why pwjdm is being hated.

The carbon fiber that pwjdm is basic. what I mean by basic is, it's the most widely used carbon fiber weave that auto industries use for aesthetic uses and not so much of structural strength. As long as you have a vacuum (or an autoclave -which costs a dozen of left nuts), CF (even fiberglass) will be generally strong. There's no reason for them to use a different weave that's any stronger - most consumers don't know.. cf is just cf to them. the higher the OZ, generally the higher the strength to weight ratio can be (assuming the resin and vacuuming process is done fairly well).

If pwjdm buys CF buy a large roll, whoever their material dealer is, its going to be very cheap. 10 yards by 60'' of ~5.0 OZ cf weave can cost about $20 per yard (this isn't with business hook up, it's just normal consumer cost). 10 yard x 60'' cf weave can make you about 4? of those intakes if they use 2 to 3 layers of cf. (sometimes, companies can cheap out by using only 1 layer of CF and using regular fiberglass mat to support it. then they paint it black to cover up the white weave). However, this is a very general observation. The numbers can be wrong, but the profit and explanation still remains generally the same.

If a thin layer of carbon fiber costs $3g, I would expect it to be F1 / aeronautic grade. I think in those areas, they don't even use the cf we know of today, i don' think they even use titanium for hardware.. there's a more advance form of material i forgot the name of it.

years ago, PWJDM started out making stainless steel (or is it aluminum) strut bars / tower bars for hondas and acuras. it didn't really make sense to me how they went from that to making products with 'safety' factors & ergonomics in mind and products that work by means of fluid dyanmics. It costs millions for legitimate research like that. Whoever fabricates pwjdm stuff though, i would have to say good job. Skills are great, but marketing sucks



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