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From: Laurel
Originally Posted by Erriseehuang,Feb 2 2010, 09:48 PM
Mm I don't know if I agree with all of the above statements...
Excessive, useless levels of camber - May be excessive but if the rest of the alignment is in spec who cares? Camber is not the main culprit for uneven tire wear. And as a plus, it does better on twistes! Oh yeah looks nice too.
Wheel setup improperly staggered for the drivetrain of the car - ??
Rims far larger than necessary for the mounted tire sizes - Yes it's true, his wheels are unnecessarily large for his tire. Perhaps his tires are also unnecessarily large for his car? If the stretch is not too much, it is safe. And.. he gets a fatass lip
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Rims poking out past tire sidewall like a puckered butthole - Haha I will be going for this look next! STAY TUNED! I'm going to throw on a 235 on a 9+25 255 on a 10+25
. Currently I am at 17x9.5 + 38
Wheel and tire setup that negatively impacts the cars performance - Aside from his added weight from the wheels, I think his car performs just as well, if not better. His negative camber + bigger tires allow him to corner more. Let's face it. He's not going to lose traction going straight in an i4 accord. It isn't like he rubs either...
My wheel setup on my S has most of these features and yet I tear my car EVERY single day. Running 4x 17x9.5 +38 with 245 tires all around at -3.5 camber with Fr toe out of spec <1, Rr toe in spec. I doubt anyone can say my car performs worse. My wheels are lighter, my tires are wider and better, my tire wear is the same o_o. If anything my height is probably the worst impact on my car...
Excessive, useless levels of camber - May be excessive but if the rest of the alignment is in spec who cares? Camber is not the main culprit for uneven tire wear. And as a plus, it does better on twistes! Oh yeah looks nice too.
Wheel setup improperly staggered for the drivetrain of the car - ??
Rims far larger than necessary for the mounted tire sizes - Yes it's true, his wheels are unnecessarily large for his tire. Perhaps his tires are also unnecessarily large for his car? If the stretch is not too much, it is safe. And.. he gets a fatass lip
.Rims poking out past tire sidewall like a puckered butthole - Haha I will be going for this look next! STAY TUNED! I'm going to throw on a 235 on a 9+25 255 on a 10+25
. Currently I am at 17x9.5 + 38 Wheel and tire setup that negatively impacts the cars performance - Aside from his added weight from the wheels, I think his car performs just as well, if not better. His negative camber + bigger tires allow him to corner more. Let's face it. He's not going to lose traction going straight in an i4 accord. It isn't like he rubs either...
My wheel setup on my S has most of these features and yet I tear my car EVERY single day. Running 4x 17x9.5 +38 with 245 tires all around at -3.5 camber with Fr toe out of spec <1, Rr toe in spec. I doubt anyone can say my car performs worse. My wheels are lighter, my tires are wider and better, my tire wear is the same o_o. If anything my height is probably the worst impact on my car...
The front on his setup are smaller than the rears...in a FWD car. If you can't figure out why this is an improper stagger setup then I dunno what to say to you.
The added weight of the wheels has a VERY Large impact on performance in both acceleration and braking due to it being unsprung weight. IIRC every extra pound of unsprung weight has the effect of an extra 10lbs of sprung mass.
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Originally Posted by ECale3,Feb 3 2010, 07:42 AM
The unneccesary level of camber he is running is decreasing his straight line contact patch, and from the looks of it, is far more than he would even be able to utilize on the track in that car. Simply slapping a bunch of negative camber into your setup is NOT necessarily going to improve your cornering ability, and there is far more than camber adjustment to a proper performance alignment.
The front on his setup are smaller than the rears...in a FWD car. If you can't figure out why this is an improper stagger setup then I dunno what to say to you.
The added weight of the wheels has a VERY Large impact on performance in both acceleration and braking due to it being unsprung weight. IIRC every extra pound of unsprung weight has the effect of an extra 10lbs of sprung mass.
The front on his setup are smaller than the rears...in a FWD car. If you can't figure out why this is an improper stagger setup then I dunno what to say to you.
The added weight of the wheels has a VERY Large impact on performance in both acceleration and braking due to it being unsprung weight. IIRC every extra pound of unsprung weight has the effect of an extra 10lbs of sprung mass.
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Originally Posted by ECale3,Feb 3 2010, 07:42 AM
The unneccesary level of camber he is running is decreasing his straight line contact patch, and from the looks of it, is far more than he would even be able to utilize on the track in that car. Simply slapping a bunch of negative camber into your setup is NOT necessarily going to improve your cornering ability, and there is far more than camber adjustment to a proper performance alignment.
The front on his setup are smaller than the rears...in a FWD car. If you can't figure out why this is an improper stagger setup then I dunno what to say to you.
The added weight of the wheels has a VERY Large impact on performance in both acceleration and braking due to it being unsprung weight. IIRC every extra pound of unsprung weight has the effect of an extra 10lbs of sprung mass.
The front on his setup are smaller than the rears...in a FWD car. If you can't figure out why this is an improper stagger setup then I dunno what to say to you.
The added weight of the wheels has a VERY Large impact on performance in both acceleration and braking due to it being unsprung weight. IIRC every extra pound of unsprung weight has the effect of an extra 10lbs of sprung mass.
As for your next point, I still do not get your improper stagger setup. It may be improper, but in what sense is this BAD for the car? Lots of ppl stagger on FWD. LOTS.
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From: Laurel
^ Lots of people commit suicide too but that does not make it a good idea.
On a FWD car you need the larger tires on the front because those are the drive wheels, because maximizing front contact patch on a FWD car has real performance benefits, and because a rearward stagger like you have there is mainly used to either:
Maximize RW contact patch on a RWD car
Dial in a bit of understeer on a tail-happy RWD car.
On an FWD car that already understeers at the limits, even under power, a rearward stagger makes no sense...other than an attempt to look like something the car is not. This is especially annoying to me because the appearance of stagger can be given via offset without actually using differing tire sizes if the look is all you are after.
You are also acting like static alignment is the only thing that is important. That extreme camber alignment can adversely affect your on-the-fly suspension geometry (dynamic geometry?), which you would never know until you were actually driving...even if the rest of the alignment appears to be in-spec when the car is stationary
Now, I've said my piece and I fully understand that each person is within their right to modify their car any way they see fit. Obviously this is more of a cruiser than a track monster and I'm glad you (or whoever the owner is) is happy with the mods made.
On a FWD car you need the larger tires on the front because those are the drive wheels, because maximizing front contact patch on a FWD car has real performance benefits, and because a rearward stagger like you have there is mainly used to either:
Maximize RW contact patch on a RWD car
Dial in a bit of understeer on a tail-happy RWD car.
On an FWD car that already understeers at the limits, even under power, a rearward stagger makes no sense...other than an attempt to look like something the car is not. This is especially annoying to me because the appearance of stagger can be given via offset without actually using differing tire sizes if the look is all you are after.
You are also acting like static alignment is the only thing that is important. That extreme camber alignment can adversely affect your on-the-fly suspension geometry (dynamic geometry?), which you would never know until you were actually driving...even if the rest of the alignment appears to be in-spec when the car is stationary
Now, I've said my piece and I fully understand that each person is within their right to modify their car any way they see fit. Obviously this is more of a cruiser than a track monster and I'm glad you (or whoever the owner is) is happy with the mods made.
