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thats true. not everyone will put all those parts to use to their full potential. but if you want low, i wouldn't go low with just springs. at least go with full coilovers soyou won't have that loss of stroke.
but in your case... it's roughly an inch you have up front to keep the control arms flat, so really either spring will suit. i guess it would boil down to your budget and how you want your car to sit. the swift's level the car out, where the tein keeps a slight rake. swift's are also very light. swift's were designed with stock shocks in mind so they're softer. but tein's shouldn't be too hard on the oem shocks either.
but in your case... it's roughly an inch you have up front to keep the control arms flat, so really either spring will suit. i guess it would boil down to your budget and how you want your car to sit. the swift's level the car out, where the tein keeps a slight rake. swift's are also very light. swift's were designed with stock shocks in mind so they're softer. but tein's shouldn't be too hard on the oem shocks either.
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Originally Posted by type-j,Dec 29 2006, 12:18 AM
kinda off topic but has anyone gone with swift springs?.....how do they perform?...i heard the drop is close to the tein s
Originally Posted by Origionally Posted by Castor in this topic; [URL=https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=422427&hl=swift
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showt...422427&hl=swift[/URL]] I was recently in Motegi for the JGTC (Super GT) and my friend knew some people so we got into the paddock area. A lot of the Integra/RSX Spec race cars had these springs. Also Super autobacs had them on some coilovers too.
Personally as an engineer I'm skeptical that Swift springs are revolutionary in there material and processes. Spring manufacturing is relatively straightforward. They may have a better control of there process and go the extra mile in manufacturing but a spring is a spring.
What I do like is the fact that they do not lower the car a significant amount. This by itself indicates that the springs were probably tested for performance not for just looks. This will also wear out the stock shocks less. Also the spring rates show that the fronts are nearly identical to stock specs and the rears are increased by 30 something percent. Not that much difference compared to 10KG spring rates for some of the coilover systems.
A performance spring is almost an oxymoron. the shock and the spring is a system and are built as one unit. You can only improve one a little bit before the other hampers performance. That's why there are coilovers in this world. Getting H&Rs or espelir springs are a bang for buck way of getting the coilover look without the performance for a quarter of the price. This is not because the companies don't have the ability to make a performance spring... it just wasn't there goal. Looking at the Swift springs I think these are the best springs available to increase the handling of the car within the envelope of the stock shocks. This is at the cost of looks since you won't get that 1 finger gap that everyone (including me) would want.
The same person I know that drove spec Integras also owns his own S2k and he has swifts on his own car. He is also a seat engineer for Honda... if you can't trust the opinion of a Honda engineer from japan... who can you trust?
So it's not a question of which is better... its a question of what you want. Personally if I got H&Rs I would look at it everyday and think, "crap... I just went backwards from what the honda engineers were trying to do" where as some people would look at the minimum drop on the swifts and think "crap.... I just spend 250USD+ for a drop that I can hardly see". It's really a personal choice.
Personally as an engineer I'm skeptical that Swift springs are revolutionary in there material and processes. Spring manufacturing is relatively straightforward. They may have a better control of there process and go the extra mile in manufacturing but a spring is a spring.
What I do like is the fact that they do not lower the car a significant amount. This by itself indicates that the springs were probably tested for performance not for just looks. This will also wear out the stock shocks less. Also the spring rates show that the fronts are nearly identical to stock specs and the rears are increased by 30 something percent. Not that much difference compared to 10KG spring rates for some of the coilover systems.
A performance spring is almost an oxymoron. the shock and the spring is a system and are built as one unit. You can only improve one a little bit before the other hampers performance. That's why there are coilovers in this world. Getting H&Rs or espelir springs are a bang for buck way of getting the coilover look without the performance for a quarter of the price. This is not because the companies don't have the ability to make a performance spring... it just wasn't there goal. Looking at the Swift springs I think these are the best springs available to increase the handling of the car within the envelope of the stock shocks. This is at the cost of looks since you won't get that 1 finger gap that everyone (including me) would want.
The same person I know that drove spec Integras also owns his own S2k and he has swifts on his own car. He is also a seat engineer for Honda... if you can't trust the opinion of a Honda engineer from japan... who can you trust?
So it's not a question of which is better... its a question of what you want. Personally if I got H&Rs I would look at it everyday and think, "crap... I just went backwards from what the honda engineers were trying to do" where as some people would look at the minimum drop on the swifts and think "crap.... I just spend 250USD+ for a drop that I can hardly see". It's really a personal choice.
Originally Posted by BulldogS2
how about espelir on 18's?
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