S2000 outrunning bike
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Originally Posted by racerfan,May 3 2006, 12:02 PM
Put that up against some litre bike with Hayden on it and we'll see how it doos 
A bike will lose on a twisty. The most important thing in cornering is grip. 4 tires>2. The car has twice the amount of grip. Bikes will always feel faster when your ride them, but it doesn't mean you are faster. A good driver in a good car will beat a good rider on a good bike. Of course, you guys have this thing about pride of being riders and what not and are going to argue.
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Originally Posted by HunterEz,May 3 2006, 01:09 PM
A bike will lose on a twisty. The most important thing in cornering is grip. 4 tires>2. The car has twice the amount of grip. Bikes will always feel faster when your ride them, but it doesn't mean you are faster. A good driver in a good car will beat a good rider on a good bike. Of course, you guys have this thing about pride of being riders and what not and are going to argue.1. The bike is lighter, so better acceleration.
2. Better turning radius.
3. Can take turns faster.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but it seems to me that these are all the things that you need to beat someone in the twisties.
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Originally Posted by 911,May 3 2006, 05:53 PM
I don't know if I totally agree with this, seeing as:
1. The bike is lighter, so better acceleration.
2. Better turning radius.
3. Can take turns faster.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but it seems to me that these are all the things that you need to beat someone in the twisties.
1. The bike is lighter, so better acceleration.
2. Better turning radius.
3. Can take turns faster.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but it seems to me that these are all the things that you need to beat someone in the twisties.
1. It has a vastly smaller contact patch - bike tires are much narrower and differently shaped than car tires.
2. It requires a tremendous amount more shift in momentum to change direction quickly.
3. They are not as stable as cars on twisties - see #1 and 2.
There was an episode of Top Gear last season where they put this very theory to the test. Some respectable sport bike (Honda something) vs a 996 Carerra 2 on their test track. The Carerra STOMPED the bike. It's just physics.
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Originally Posted by Clayman,May 3 2006, 04:34 PM
Well, a bike will lose every time because:
1. It has a vastly smaller contact patch - bike tires are much narrower and differently shaped than car tires.
2. It requires a tremendous amount more shift in momentum to change direction quickly.
3. They are not as stable as cars on twisties - see #1 and 2.
There was an episode of Top Gear last season where they put this very theory to the test. Some respectable sport bike (Honda something) vs a 996 Carerra 2 on their test track. The Carerra STOMPED the bike. It's just physics.
1. It has a vastly smaller contact patch - bike tires are much narrower and differently shaped than car tires.
2. It requires a tremendous amount more shift in momentum to change direction quickly.
3. They are not as stable as cars on twisties - see #1 and 2.
There was an episode of Top Gear last season where they put this very theory to the test. Some respectable sport bike (Honda something) vs a 996 Carerra 2 on their test track. The Carerra STOMPED the bike. It's just physics.
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As unoffical logic, figure the weight-contact patch ratio of each vehicle. Personally, I think a professionally driven street bike will walk away from a professionally driven SC'd S2000 on any track or tarmac competition. I just have a hard time thinking a 550lbs vehicle w/ 150hp is slower on any track than a 3000lbs vehicle with 300hp given similar tire compounds.