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Old Sep 25, 2001 | 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by MarkS2K
When Greg Stevens was in Japan, he talked to the Mugen engineers about the rear wing. They said the car needed more downforce, and designed a very effective rear spoiler. I think Greg bought the Mugen spoiler. You might want to search for it. It looks better than what's shown in these pictures.

Mugen's 3 piece spoiler (check it out at King Motorsports - one of this boards sponsors) is probably the most effective spoiler/wing available for the car - looks are subjective but I've seen several (greg, hecash, the King project car all have one) and I like them. Mugen also sells a "wing" that GTRPower has, not quite as effective from what I remember, and looks are as I said subjective but it sticks up quite a bit.

Mugen 3-piece (black)

Mugen \"wing\"
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Old Sep 25, 2001 | 03:26 PM
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I like my wing
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Old Sep 25, 2001 | 04:40 PM
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WSB and Mark are correct. I do have the Mugen 3 piece spoiler. It's highly effective and creates a tremendous amount of downforce. I have been trying to get the real numbers on how much is created at various speeds, but so far I haven't been able to obtain it. I recall the number of 200+ pounds of downforce are created, I just don't recall at what speeds that occurs at.

IMO, if you want effectiveness, either of the Mugen pieces are highly effective. The wing (like on GTRPower's car) is effective, but much more so with the top up or a hardtop. The spoiler is far more effective than the wing with the top down.

Do I notice the spoiler's effectiveness? Oh yea...it's totally awesome at speed. Naturally, it will be less effective the slower you are going, but it keeps the rear planted at speed, it's like the rear is glued to the road...

Check out www.kingmotorsports.com for more info on both of the pieces...

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Old Sep 25, 2001 | 06:33 PM
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Yea Greg, I've seen your spoiler on Gregg's car (and, of course on the flatbed pic ). My thought at the time was -- since it takes air from body level -- it might be sensitive to whether the top was up, down or hardtop. Do you have any idea whether this is true and which configuration it was designed for.

I'm guessing this would matter less with a high wing?

BTW, when Greggs car went airborne last weekend (on the Fall Colors route -- Be there!!!) the back seemed to come down pretty hard. Something must be working
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Old Sep 25, 2001 | 08:48 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gregstevens
[B]The wing (like on GTRPower's car) is effective, but much more so with the top up or a hardtop.
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Old Sep 26, 2001 | 04:37 AM
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Mingster, the wing in Nick's car is the Mugen's SS2200 aero version. Nick seem to have received one of the first one to feature the new Mugen offering. The normal version has carbon fiber wrapped on the each end of the wing(don't know what the word is), but as pictured his one is shiny steel(aluminium?), but my possible guess is that King or Mugen may have stripped out the carbon fiber pieces on each end to expose the shiny piece.



The picture above is too small to really see in detail but the wing is very nicely shaped to follow the rear of the S2000. This looks so much better than the Feel's wing which I use to have plus it is adjustable. I haven't got a chance to paint it yet(still looking for quality place to do the job flawlessly like how it was done on Nick's car), but still looks good with stock bumper. But it will look fantastick with SS2200 rear bumper which I am patiently waiting from King's.
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Old Sep 26, 2001 | 04:42 AM
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I am sorry, but NO.... that looks awful!!

Who needs that sort of downforce unless they are actually racing?

I must say the one in 1randyc's picture seems much more acceptable, if you MUST do something like that....
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Old Sep 26, 2001 | 04:52 AM
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For me, my option on this was limited. I made a huge mistake with Feel's spoiler and when it was taken off finally, I needed to cover up the screw holes. I wanted Mugen's three piece one as well as maybe the oem spoiler but neither would cover up the holes unfortunately, so I got the Mugen's other wing like Nick's.
I am happy with it very much, but I will be much happier when all are finished(painting and rear aero).
I will put some photos when I get a chance.
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Old Sep 26, 2001 | 05:09 AM
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In my opinion the only thing it helps in is to rice out your car!
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Old Sep 26, 2001 | 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by evolution
edited gnarly S2K pict..yuck!!
Does that actually help?
I guess it helps get the guy attention...bad attention...good attention..... it's all the same right!!
i call it the stripper complex if you will!!

by the way..a wing by itself on a car not designed for the wing isn't going to do much of anything. At worst it might actually create downforce on the back wheels, which will make it light on the front wheels....not exactly what you want going into a high speed corner. Indy cars and other race cars with wings use full body dynamics...not just wings to create downforce all over the car.

it is possible that some compay read mugen might make a wing that acutally produces useable down force, but some random double decker wing isn't gonna do crap by make our already bad coef. of drag worse. On Porsche's for example the sell the Gt3 bodykit for normal 911's...it produces downforce, but it is a spoiler (not a gigant-o wing), and full on body kit. The spoiler itself does not only create downforce...the whole kit does. That is the way to do it. Just slapping a wing on the back of your car at best...will do nothing. At worst will actually upset the dynamics of the car. The car wasn't designed to have a chuck of plastic and metal or carbon fiber stickin a foot in the air off the trunk.
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