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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by yamahaSHO
Having a hot spot and "reducing temperature" are not the same. The same amount of heat has to be converted if the same amount of work is being done, but one spreads the load more evenly. The brakes themselves are not going to be cooler, you'll just have less of the pad doing the work if it starts to taco.

Less heat (or the ability to cope with heat) comes from mass and external cooling (ducts, vaned rotors, aluminum hats, etc).

The caliper is not used as a heat sink; the idea is to keep heat out of the caliper. This is also why you'll find race oriented calipers NOT using aluminum pistons. (I didn't have stock brakes for more than a couple months, but I thought the stock calipers were aluminum).


I follow brakes just fine. The number of pistons you have does not correlate to whether or not the brakes will run hotter or cooler.
The stock caliper is some kind of ferrous metal, probably not steal but iron as they can rust.

Most Bbks I would guess are aluminum in construction.

As far as the spoon monoblock caliper vs the stock slider, the spoon is going to have more brake fluid capacity (probably 2x the amount over stock slider) 4x the Pistons (not 4x the piston surface area, probably not even 2x as much) to get the heat from the pad/rotor in to the brake fluid and then to the piston.

Anything that can be done to reduce rotor, pad and brake fluid temperature will increase the longevity of the pad life

The reason I suggested the spoon over other bbks, is because it's easier to fit under wheels, won't throw off your braking bias, lowers the overall temperature of the braking system allowing longer intervals between bleeds and greater pad life. You don't have to use outrageously expensive rotors and fear not being able to get replacements if a product reaches end of life


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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gptoyz
The stock caliper is some kind of ferrous metal, probably not steal but iron as they can rust.

Most Bbks I would guess are aluminum in construction.
Could be... I didn't keep my stock brakes long and the calipers looked nearly new when I removed them and gave them to a friend.

Originally Posted by gptoyz
As far as the spoon monoblock caliper vs the stock slider, the spoon is going to have more brake fluid capacity (probably 2x the amount over stock slider) 4x the Pistons (not 4x the piston surface area, probably not even 2x as much) to get the heat from the pad/rotor in to the brake fluid and then to the piston.


Anything that can be done to reduce rotor, pad and brake fluid temperature will increase the longevity of the pad life
That has nothing to do with my original statement in reference to the statement I quoted from you:

Originally Posted by gptoyz
Since they are a multi piston monoblock design they reduce temperature in the pad and rotor which is the key to longer brake pad life
Multi-piston and monoblock design, by themselves do not mean they will reduce temperature, which was I commented to.




Originally Posted by gptoyz
The reason I suggested the spoon over other bbks, is because it's easier to fit under wheels, won't throw off your braking bias, lowers the overall temperature of the braking system allowing longer intervals between bleeds and greater pad life. You don't have to use outrageously expensive rotors and fear not being able to get replacements if a product reaches end of life
The S2000 rotor will reach end-of-life before a common BBK ring. BBK kits adapt common rings to the cars, not the other way around... and with far more options/brands/compositions. Rings can vary in price, but they'll last longer, especially some of the heavier duty rings.

As far as bias... I did some searching and came upon this thread: https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/569...ost__p__855998

If these are true, the piston area has increased to 4.009 from 3.547. Bias is now further forward.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 02:12 PM
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I think yamahasho is trying to say that the blingin spoon calipers don't help that much in terms of heat dissipation, and I'd agree. Their biggest improvement is likely feel/modulation. Heat reduction is somewhere towards the end of the list.

Are they better than OEM? Sure, but the biggest problem with the OEM brakes isn't the caliper, but the smallish rotors. A different caliper that uses larger calipers/pads will certainly help dissipate the heat over a larger area and help the brakes last longer, but ultimately it needs larger rotors.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 03:17 PM
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My fronts are grossly larger in size than OEM and brake bias is fine. ABS tends to hide any imbalance anyways, which apparently these cars are rear biased from the factory.
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