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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 02:25 PM
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it's finally time for me to get a wideband for the s2000. the parameters for my choice were cheap, data logging capabilities, and a small display. i've had my eye on this model/display for a while and i'm about ready to order it. i was just wondering if anybody else has used this or has a recommendation for another choice regarding widebands...



INNOVATE LC-1 Wideband Air/Fuel Ratio Gauge- Square Display $259
http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/scrip...p?idproduct=150
unit without the display usually goes for $179-$199.








any feedback from the members here with widebands?






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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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I suggest AEM for 218$
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Old Dec 9, 2008 | 05:59 PM
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the aem uego? i have that in my other car. it reads 0.5 richer than the actual. it's gauge is fairly large. if you had the aem ems i would think it would complement it greatly though but i don't/won't have the aem ems.

i suppose i understated the small display criteria, i won't be running an a-pod gauge pillar advertising my car as "modified." if anybody has any other wideband suggestions, submit them and i'll look into their characteristics, size, and pricing. thanks for looking.

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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 06:02 AM
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The Innovate product is worlds ahead of the AEM and most other WB offerings. The AEM unit is based on the factory bosch sensor control chip which was designed in the late 80s and relies on the factory LSU 4.2 sensor's internal calibration. Unfortuneately as the sensor heater cycles over time this calibration drifts thus making the sensors output innaccurate over time. The Innovate unit does nto rely on the LSU's sensor calibration as this controlled in the WB control unit independent of the sensor. Because of this the innovate product actually is capable of calibrating it self at your leisure keeping it at peak effiency through the entire life of the sensor. There is no other company that offers a true indepentent calibration control circuit. This is why the Innovate wideband gear is untouchable by any other manufacturer, the Innovate control technology is currently used by Racepack, Pectel, Haltech, etc.
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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 07:24 AM
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I like PLX gauges.
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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MINES13,Dec 10 2008, 09:02 AM
The Innovate product is worlds ahead of the AEM and most other WB offerings. The AEM unit is based on the factory bosch sensor control chip which was designed in the late 80s and relies on the factory LSU 4.2 sensor's internal calibration. Unfortuneately as the sensor heater cycles over time this calibration drifts thus making the sensors output innaccurate over time. The Innovate unit does nto rely on the LSU's sensor calibration as this controlled in the WB control unit independent of the sensor. Because of this the innovate product actually is capable of calibrating it self at your leisure keeping it at peak effiency through the entire life of the sensor. There is no other company that offers a true indepentent calibration control circuit. This is why the Innovate wideband gear is untouchable by any other manufacturer, the Innovate control technology is currently used by Racepack, Pectel, Haltech, etc.
thanks for the information about innovate MINES13. i remember back in the day the LM-1 was the shiz but didn't want to pull the gun too soon on the LC-1 without knowing if there were better options out there.

kermdaddy, i'll take a gander and see if anything interests me with the PLX gauges. thanks both of you for your input.

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Old Dec 10, 2008 | 06:31 PM
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unrelated, I just saw the have some stuff coming out to make the iphone or ipod a live data gauge..

thats a cool idea

They are a great company
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Does this replace your 02 sensor?
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MINES13' date='Dec 10 2008, 09:02 AM
The Innovate product is worlds ahead of the AEM and most other WB offerings. The AEM unit is based on the factory bosch sensor control chip which was designed in the late 80s and relies on the factory LSU 4.2 sensor's internal calibration. Unfortuneately as the sensor heater cycles over time this calibration drifts thus making the sensors output innaccurate over time. The Innovate unit does nto rely on the LSU's sensor calibration as this controlled in the WB control unit independent of the sensor. Because of this the innovate product actually is capable of calibrating it self at your leisure keeping it at peak effiency through the entire life of the sensor. There is no other company that offers a true indepentent calibration control circuit. This is why the Innovate wideband gear is untouchable by any other manufacturer, the Innovate control technology is currently used by Racepack, Pectel, Haltech, etc.
speaking of "calibration" i was searching for answers and i ended up digging up my own thread. i ended up getting a LC-1 and after the free air calibration i'm reading 20.0 and others have reported getting numbers such as 20.8 or 20.9, any idea what's going on with my accuracy?
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Evans Tuning' date='Jan 3 2009, 04:09 PM
All of the widebands mentioned in this thread are still using the Bosch sensors. All of the widebands that I have worked with over the years used them, and I constantly was replacing sensors (run a tuning shop, using the widebands for 50-60 hours a week tuning cars). They do not fair well to high heat, high backpressure or leaded gasoline. With the sensors costing between 70-90.00 a piece, and replacing one every month it just was not cost effective. I have since been using the FJO single channel wideband to tune with using the NTK sensor. The NTK sensor is an OEM sensor and is an actual wideband, unlike the Bosch unit. They are 200.00 for the sensor but the accuracy, speed and longevity easily pay for themselves. I have gotten 2 years out of a single NTK sensor running unleaded gas, leaded gas, alcohol and having the sensors mounted in poor positions in the exhaust stream while tuning. Sensor longevity and cost is something to consider when purchasing your wideband because its cheaper in the long run going with an FJO.
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I got e AEM uego, where would you recommend placing it in the exhaust system? Bottom of the header? I know you want it close to the motor but not to close where the heat will destroy it.
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