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Old 03-08-2017, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HotMess
I'm interested in this, mostly because i'm a materials nerd. I don't mean to detract from your thread, but this may be useful to you or others. Obviously it's not a 'superalloy' because they're aluminum pistons, but Honda makes no mention of what they're made of in their SAE technical paper on the engine. They only say that they're 'aluminum forged'. It'd be interesting to see what they are actually made up from, which would have to stand up to the FRM cylinders.

Does anybody have a used/bad F20/F22 piston to send me that I can cut up and figure out what they're made of?
I do. But I'm in Canada. My guess is around 30$ for shipping

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Old 03-08-2017, 08:53 AM
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This kind of interests me for a 2.0 build and rev it to the moon, bore it to 90mm and make it a 2.18 and rev for days.
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Originally Posted by Sylvain2000
I do. But I'm in Canada. My guess is around 30$ for shipping

Lmk
I'm in nova scotia, so maybe not so bad. i'll PM you...
Old 03-13-2017, 10:48 AM
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Some more assembly getting done. Everything is going very simply, just like standard assembly.

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Our extended timing chain turned out to be perfect for this higher deck application. All we needed to do was adjust the cam timing via our Adjustable Drive Gear to center the crank and cams to TDC. We only needed 1 degree advance.

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Here is a shot of our adjustable drive gear.
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Old 03-13-2017, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrsideways
This kind of interests me for a 2.0 build and rev it to the moon, bore it to 90mm and make it a 2.18 and rev for days.
Doesn't current theory seemingly weighted to low rod length/stroke ratios?

4Piston built one for a Wolf GB08 CN car running in SCCA P1. They shared some info on K20a.org (2.0L Road Race Engine on the dyno - K20A.org .:. The K Series Source . Honda / Acura K20a k24a Engine Forum) and the car is being sold: JFC Racing » 2012 Wolf GB08. I think they got 330hp @ 11,000rpm from a 2L 86x86. The 4Piston engine must have been sold separately. I think he was asking $20k for it.
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When this is finally finished, is it going on an engine or chassis dyno ?
Old 03-13-2017, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike RT4
When this is finally finished, is it going on an engine or chassis dyno ?
Chassis dyno. We don't have access to an engine dyno. Would have been cool to see the engine on its own.
Old 03-14-2017, 01:15 AM
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My dream engine would be:
Standard F22 90.7mm crank
164mm long rods (titanium, so as not to exceed the OEM weight).
K-tech lower compression height pistons (23.2mm compared to 30mm - required to prevent pistons sticking out of bore)
This deck plate (required to achieve the additional 7.55mm deck height for the longer rods)
2200cc capacity with the ability to rev to over 9k (same piston speed as standard F20C, due to longer rod giving identical 1.82 ratio)
12.5:1 compression ratio and hopefully around 310-320bhp with a nicely ported head / matched valve sizes.

The only thing that isn't currently available are the rods, which would have to be made to order - everything else is already out there......
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Originally Posted by Mike RT4
My dream engine would be:
Standard F22 90.7mm crank
164mm long rods (titanium, so as not to exceed the OEM weight).
K-tech lower compression height pistons (23.2mm compared to 30mm - required to prevent pistons sticking out of bore)
This deck plate (required to achieve the additional 7.55mm deck height for the longer rods)
2200cc capacity with the ability to rev to over 9k (same piston speed as standard F20C, due to longer rod giving identical 1.82 ratio)
12.5:1 compression ratio and hopefully around 310-320bhp with a nicely ported head / matched valve sizes.

The only thing that isn't currently available are the rods, which would have to be made to order - everything else is already out there......
The Math gets you close to that in BHP, A stock displacement F22 able to hold TQ of 165wtq to 9000 rpm will make about 280whp. That's 310bhp.
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What was done to address where the tensioner pushes against the timing chain guide? Was there enough room on the guide to not have to worry about it?


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