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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 12:01 PM
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Hey everyone I am thinking of running like 12.5 or 13.1 compression but do do this what all would I need like would I need to re sleeve and all that jazz? So let me
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 12:44 PM
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Whats your power goal?
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Changing the CR in and of itself won't necessarily make you have to sleeve etc. Since this is in the NA forum I'm going to assume you're staying NA...

That said our engine internals are good for 400hp+ stock, and thus I doubt you'd ever get that (especially with just a CR change), meaning I doubt you'd have to. The biggest thing you have to worry about is that the s2000 is already a major interference engine, and raising the CR is probably easiest done by making the head closer to the block (as opposed to getting a new crank, which increases piston speed, which increases the need for new piston/rod combo). This means you'll need different cam profile at the very least, if anyone even makes something like that.
Old Feb 7, 2013 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by s2kreeper
Changing the CR in and of itself won't necessarily make you have to sleeve etc. Since this is in the NA forum I'm going to assume you're staying NA...

That said our engine internals are good for 400hp+ stock, and thus I doubt you'd ever get that (especially with just a CR change), meaning I doubt you'd have to. The biggest thing you have to worry about is that the s2000 is already a major interference engine, and raising the CR is probably easiest done by making the head closer to the block (as opposed to getting a new crank, which increases piston speed, which increases the need for new piston/rod combo). This means you'll need different cam profile at the very least, if anyone even makes something like that.

The reason I was saying sleeping is I heard there was something on our cylinder walls that when you change pistons from stock you also need to do the same with sleeves. But I couldn't just change pistons and rods?
Old Feb 7, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bewareofthepoop
Originally Posted by s2kreeper' timestamp='1360274862' post='22322008
Changing the CR in and of itself won't necessarily make you have to sleeve etc. Since this is in the NA forum I'm going to assume you're staying NA...

That said our engine internals are good for 400hp+ stock, and thus I doubt you'd ever get that (especially with just a CR change), meaning I doubt you'd have to. The biggest thing you have to worry about is that the s2000 is already a major interference engine, and raising the CR is probably easiest done by making the head closer to the block (as opposed to getting a new crank, which increases piston speed, which increases the need for new piston/rod combo). This means you'll need different cam profile at the very least, if anyone even makes something like that.

The reason I was saying sleeping is I heard there was something on our cylinder walls that when you change pistons from stock you also need to do the same with sleeves. But I couldn't just change pistons and rods?
Honestly before thinking about any of that you need to have a power goal. Again, what is it?
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Originally Posted by bewareofthepoop
The reason I was saying sleeping is I heard there was something on our cylinder walls that when you change pistons from stock you also need to do the same with sleeves. But I couldn't just change pistons and rods?
The walls are coated with Fiber-Reinforced Metal which helps reduce friction. When you change pistons, often you need to re-bore the cylinders. This either results in re-sleeving being a better choice or having the walls coated with FRM again after the bore. You can change the rods without issue since they don't care what the walls are made out of because they never contact them.

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Honestly before thinking about any of that you need to have a power goal. Again, what is it?
^ He's right. building an engine without a goal in mind results in lots of wasted money. If you're looking for a reliable way to just make more power, you really don't need to do anything to the engine. It would be far cheaper to do bolt-ons and EMS + tune.
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Originally Posted by s2kreeper
Originally Posted by bewareofthepoop' timestamp='1360275581' post='22322039
The reason I was saying sleeping is I heard there was something on our cylinder walls that when you change pistons from stock you also need to do the same with sleeves. But I couldn't just change pistons and rods?
The walls are coated with Fiber-Reinforced Metal which helps reduce friction. When you change pistons, often you need to re-bore the cylinders. This either results in re-sleeving being a better choice or having the walls coated with FRM again after the bore. You can change the rods without issue since they don't care what the walls are made out of because they never contact them.

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Honestly before thinking about any of that you need to have a power goal. Again, what is it?
^ He's right. building an engine without a goal in mind results in lots of wasted money. If you're looking for a reliable way to just make more power, you really don't need to do anything to the engine. It would be far cheaper to do bolt-ons and EMS + tune.
Like 250-260 to the wheels if that would even be obtainable.. But would I need to change fuel system
Or anything and who is good to resleeve?
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https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/957...ngine-rebuild/
Old Feb 8, 2013 | 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bewareofthepoop
Originally Posted by s2kreeper' timestamp='1360288173' post='22322446
[quote name='bewareofthepoop' timestamp='1360275581' post='22322039']
The reason I was saying sleeping is I heard there was something on our cylinder walls that when you change pistons from stock you also need to do the same with sleeves. But I couldn't just change pistons and rods?
The walls are coated with Fiber-Reinforced Metal which helps reduce friction. When you change pistons, often you need to re-bore the cylinders. This either results in re-sleeving being a better choice or having the walls coated with FRM again after the bore. You can change the rods without issue since they don't care what the walls are made out of because they never contact them.

Originally Posted by JUSTINTHECOASTIE
Honestly before thinking about any of that you need to have a power goal. Again, what is it?
^ He's right. building an engine without a goal in mind results in lots of wasted money. If you're looking for a reliable way to just make more power, you really don't need to do anything to the engine. It would be far cheaper to do bolt-ons and EMS + tune.
Like 250-260 to the wheels if that would even be obtainable.. But would I need to change fuel system
Or anything and who is good to resleeve?
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It's gonna be a lot of work and deep pocket to pull that out of a 2.2L na. Try all bolt ons with ems. Go to 1000cc injectors with a walbro 255 fuel pump on e85 for starters. Or just buy ems and get your block built to a 2.7L. Inlinepro has a 106mm kit for 3.2k. You will need to sleeve your block. This option will cost money. Around $6-7k
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Why are you suggesting 1,000cc injectors for an NA build?



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