STR's PAX is now essentially tied with C Stock's, instead of B Stock as it was last year...

http://home.comcast.net/~paxrtp/rtp2012.html

http://www.uhlmann.ca/2012pax_ntl.pdf

 

 

Yeah and A-stock and B-stock is separated by 0.001.

 

Hmm... If the CR's aren't too careful this year, they might get bumped up to AS and whip up on some high TQ high HP cars. That would certainly make BS a lot more interesting.

I love busting on you CR owners. I'm just jealous that I couldn't talk myself into spend the extra $10K. Yeah, I'm cheap!

-D

 

I actually think it would be a great idea to move the CR (and Solstice GXP Z0K) to A Stock. It would bolster AS's numbers, and while I think the C5 would remain the car to have in the class, the CR would at least be competitive there. Meanwhile, BS would be left as a higher speed version of E Stock since AP1s and pre-CR AP2s would once again become the cars to have.

I can't see it happening, though -- the SAC has recently been moving more towards putting relatively rare option packages (CR, Solstice Z0K, MX-5 MS-R, GT3, Mini Cooper JCW, etc.) in the same class as their mainstream variants.

 

What they said ^. I think it would make both classes better, but I doubt the SEC would agree at this point.

 

Sounds like a great idea, but I'm confident a very inexpensive C5 (with another year of development and more drives) would run these cars off. AS is growing on it's own and this class will most certainly have new additions in the future.

While I certainly respect the opinion of Stephen, Jeff, Nick, and many others, and I hate seeing the CR topic continue. The time to ban the CR was 2008 and the GXP in 2006. This did not happen. The GXP was laughed at for it's 2nd gear (which is why I bought the CR over a GXP in '08). The CR was laughed at for many other reasons as I have posted before. If Jadrice and I put the same amount of R&D into any other S2000 that we did in the CR in order to get it "right" (full driver confidence) I'm certain we would have the same results. For the 2010-2011 season, we were comfortable enough with the setups and at the point where we on the offensive/attacking the course on all 3 runs. This combination of driver confidence matched with a great setups is hard to beat. Still, it takes everything we have to beat a well driven MX5 or base Solstice. I general, using the PAX index to comparing CS to BS (old BS to AS) puts this debate to rest IMO. The differences in BS vs. CS is much greater than a AP1 vs. AP2 vs. CR. The Elise vs. C5z vs. C6z is much worse. Im my experience, it's easy to imagine the differences between S2000s is a huge margin, but in reality, it is very minimal. There will always be much more time missed by driver error than there will be between model S2000s, in B-Stock, on a proper course design. Race what you have ... AP1, AP2, CR, v1, v2, etc, etc. 99% of the time, your driving will be the reason you lost. As much as I want to blame (and have) my car for 10th place in STR at Nats, Its simply my fault.

-Marc

 

Last time I checked, we agreed on this topic. I've posted elsewhere that I think the difference between a CR and an AP1 (or non-CR AP2) is within driver variation, but enough people are convinced that the CR's the car to have that B Stock's slowly becoming a CR class. That's a bad thing, in my opinion, especially since you can buy a cherry AP1 in the low teens these days. That's why I'd love to see the CR moved -- not because I think it's too fast for B Stock, but because I'm worried that the class' participation numbers will be hurt by the perception that it's too fast.

 

B-stock will continue to shrink, but is that a bad thing? It just is what it is. With S2000s having STR to play in, it's where all the trophy fodder went to. The top drivers are still excellent in STR and BS, but there are more trophies available in STR.

Bumping the CR out of B-"stock" won't likely increase the number of S2000s in stock class. There's still a good chance they'll go to STR.

 

I'll even post a theoretical poll on it and we'll get the market data.