2024 changes to Street Touring include the reversal of the Honda S2000 from SST back into STR.
This means the S2000 will enjoy a softer PAX and return to the limitation of 17x9.0 wheels on 255 section width tires.

 

Cool class but there's some heavy hitters in there that should definitely overshadow the S2k. It's cool to offer a place to play for more ST cars. I think ST prep is a really fun place to be and allows for a streetable car with a well developed suspension. I'm not convinced the S2000 will really have better parity vs. that list than the ND2, especially on bigger courses. There's usually not as many talented drivers or well setup cars in newer classes, so the STR S2k's have an advantage there. I just think that there's a lot on that list that will murder an S2000 with similar mods. You may get better results in terms of # because of the lack of competition but I think that's missing the point. Good luck, I think I'm going to stick to STR.

- 2021 Supra
- C6 z06
- Camaro z28
- Alfa 4C

What's really the biggest width tires we can fit with a roll? I'm guessing like 265 fronts, 285 rear or something?

 

Very interesting… how much bigger do you think you can go though? 17x9 with 255s do not look like they have a lot of space for more wheel/tire without fender modifications.

 

Will need to review further, but even ESP Camaros were right around top STR times at 2019 nats. Granted those were ND1's at the top of STR. Top Camaro in that class was only a second or two faster than the top STR car and that was a Camaro SS on Hoosiers.

 

From 2019 Nats (these are combined times from both days, and I am listing top times):
STR 127.070 - This was an ND, no data for S2ks as there were none there
ESP 125.980 - This was on a 2017 Camaro SS on Hoosiers in a street prepared class
SSR 125.005 - 2019 Grand Sport on Hoosiers

Granted these are just some numbers to compare and not a great comparison since not the same rules and no S2k's in STR that year. I do think the S2k will have its work cut out for it. Not going to fit much more tire up front without fender pulling for sure. Maybe more in the rear though. I honestly will be curious to see but thinking the Supra will not be as big of a threat as people think. But do not have much autox data on them other than some local events with not super competitive drivers. They are pretty porky cars but we shall see. The Elise actually may be something more to worry about with its super low weight. That is one of the biggest challenges against the ND. The ND1 I co drive is about 500 lbs lighter than my S2k in STR prep.

 

I honestly wish they would do a spec class for S2ks, kinda like the SSC class for the twins. Back before the ND1 came along, we had over 60 cars in STR at nats. One of the largest classes. And other than one or two back runners, the entire class was s2000's. I think there could be a good number of people that would jump all over a spec class for them. Basically an STR ruleset, but maybe just spec the tire and even the suspension setup if they wanted to cap costs like they did in SSC.

Of course that is yet another class lol and we really do not need more. But if trying to keep certain cars in the mix, there are probably plenty of S2k's out there to keep it fun.

In any case, my car will likely sway further from solo rulesets and remain a track toy. I will either continue codriving the ND1 or buy an ND2 and prep for STR in upcoming seasons for autocross.

 

I'm not sure how to gauge results comparatively but I really do think the STR cars are very well developed and the class seems to attract a talented driver pool. I like that another ST class allows people to play but I just don't think this is it for the S2k. I like the idea of a STR classic or something for non ND STR cars. Clearly I have a bias here but I think the S2k vs. NC dynamic was pretty cool and healthier than a brand new car, the ND1 having its 3-4 years in the spotlight and then having to have an ND2 to be competitive. I do know a few people locally that compete in other cars but still have a S2k in the garage just because they like the car.

I think the XS classes are really cool and the S2k has a decent shot at the heavier of the two. I don't understand why they are not going to be national classes. I did think the exige/elise could do great here but I'm not familiar with their power curve or how much is to be gained by modding them. I'm assuming that in terms of suspension/chassis mods, they're already very good out of the factory and may not have a ton left on the table.

I'm gonna slap some 255 yokos on my S2k and hope for the best in STR. I'm pretty sure the ND2's can only fit 245s on theirs so at least we have that small "advantage" going for us, provided my 255's don't rub.

 

Let us know how the 255 A052 works. I’ll likely be in the market by the end of the season and haven’t really heard confirmation that they fit with how wide they run.

 

There is local to me S2000 that runs 255 A052s.

There is a former STR S2000 in CA that is now set up for XS and runs 295/30/18s. It ran at the Fontana tour this year. I don't think the S2000 is gonna be a good SST car, I think XS is a better choice as you can hit the minimum weight, add power, and address the gearing issues. It isn't cheap though.

 

According to @oinojo , 18x10.5 with 295 Square.