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Auto-x, Front sway bar with staggered tire setup?

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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 12:41 PM
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Default Auto-x, Front sway bar with staggered tire setup?

Ive been researching this topic for awhile, and i still havnt got a solid answer. Either looking to get a whiteline or a eibach front sway bar to counter act the car shifting weight so much causing the car to loose its rear end on slaloms.

First off, the specs

01 ap1 lowered with megan racing street series
Yokohama s-drives
Fronts are 205/40/17
Rears are 235/40/17

Autocross about 2-3 times a month. Its a daily drive

My research shows that the eibach is stiffer on its highest setting than the whiteline even though it is hollow.

Any input on a staggered tire setup? I know of non-staggered setups its alright because its tendencies to cause understeer but i was thinking this bar isnt really stiff enough to understeer as much. I also have a little bit extra camber from factory that should even out.
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 01:46 PM
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Is there a specific question you had? Or looking for a general discussion?
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CKit
Is there a specific question you had? Or looking for a general discussion?
Im wondering will this cause to much understeer for the setup im running? I just dont want to have tons of understeer causing a decrease handling. I always see people are only on non-staggard tire setups.
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 06:56 PM
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If its only in the slaloms maybe it is in how you are driving them? It may be too much but no one can tell u for sure, there are a lot of variables involved. Try a cheap less stiff bar and see if its enough.
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 07:25 PM
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Do you plan on staying with that narrow of a front tire?
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 07:28 PM
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Also, consider some better tires. I bought my car with s drives and they were terrible. Not responsive at all, lost grip quickly
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 08:48 PM
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Yes i plan to get 225/45's up front and keep the 235's in the rear. And not just slaloms, and just turns that shift the weight of the car
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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 11:44 PM
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It would help to know what class you are running in.

If you have changed the spring rate from stock, then that would be helpful as well.

The white line and the eibach are not stiff enough for auto-x.

So, If you are serious about running solo, then you will want to look at the Gendron bar or the Anckey racing bar.

I do not recommend the Saner (unless you are willing to make a better mount and get new endlinks).

Also, you should be on non-staggered, I would recommend something like the hankook rs3 in a 255s or 245s on all 4 corners.

And your going to need more camber then "a little bit extra ... from factory", in the realm of -2.5 to -3.5 (depending on spring rates and tire choice)

P.S. The Gendron has more range of adjustment so you can start out soft and work up to full stiff as you build your car.
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 02:41 AM
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Your weight is going to shift on every corner. Learn to correct if it over steers and focus on your driving. Smooth inputs and the weight won't shift as quickly/drastically.
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 07:10 AM
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You don't need a mega stiff FSB on the staggered setup IMO. STR guys get one because they generate a lot more front grip with 255s, coilovers, and camber joints. I run an eibach FSB on my street tire b-stock car, and a bigger bar would probably make me understeer almost as much as when I had stock alignment.

I'd make incremental changes and focus on changing driving habits as mentioned earlier.
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