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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by l8brakr,Apr 8 2005, 12:18 PM
The clutch is a wear item. The fact you apparently blew your motor before the clutch happened to go out says more about your driving than any little comment you can make about how someone operates a transmission.
Who said you blew your transmission? I dont know why you think that a track environment doesn't put strain on a clutch. How many times per lap are you shifting at high rpm? Wouldn't that put a lot of heat into it which would accelerate wear? Also who said he hasn't rebuilt his motor already so maybe the stock clutch did outlast the motor but why does that matter to you? The fact is you can get friction discs that are better suited for racing applications that are cheaper than OEM. If he wants to upgrade PP while he's there since labor is the most intensive part of the job why not do it?
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 02:00 PM
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Driving like a foolio is going to break your transmission long before you'd nuke an engine. I thought the subtle correction would be appreciated but obviously I was wrong.

Does our car need a more aggressive clutch engagement? No.
Does the stock clutch need to provide more clamping force? No.
Does the stock clutch wear out before the car? No.

Does replacing perfectly good parts go against common sense? Yes
How much does a stock clutch cost? $83 from the S2ki.com Marketplace.

You are right about one thing, if somebody wants to waste their money on an uber-cool pink anodized 13 puck JDM clutch I'm not going to stop them. I only take exception to them perpetuating some myth that there is a need for a different part in a basically stock S2000.
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 02:32 PM
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I'll address these sentence by sentence.

1. Tell that to the guys with broken valves because their tranny shifts so nicely into 2nd.

2. What correction? I never said you blew up your transmission?

3. Clutch engagement is not the issue.

4. If your stock and don't drive hard, no if you do and have a little more power I say yes.

5. Wear out before your car=no, most everybody else it should.

6. I agree, but what's your basis for perfectly good?

7. I'll trust you on that because I've already wasted enough time on this but I know some clutch kits with an oem disk are more expensive than with a racing disk.

8. I'm right about more than one thing you just don't want to admit it.

9. To say there is a need to replace is different than somebody wanting to know if there is a better option.

Have a great weekend!!
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by l8brakr,Apr 8 2005, 02:24 PM
How many times per lap are you shifting at high rpm? Wouldn't that put a lot of heat into it which would accelerate wear??
Probably about 90% of clutch wear takes place when engaging it from zero mph. Unless your really banging gears hard during upshift's, shifting gears shouldn't accelerate clutch wear as dramatic as taking off from a dead stop.
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 03:15 PM
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I forgot to mention above, most road racing organizations do not utilize standing starts. The only time the clutch ever gets worked during a race, is when the driver leave's a pit stall after a pit stop.
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RACER,Apr 8 2005, 03:15 PM
I forgot to mention above, most road racing organizations do not utilize standing starts.
It's a side issue, but I think many road races would be more amusing with a "Le Mans" start.
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 03:38 PM
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In the old days, all the cars were parked at an angle and the drivers had to stand across the track from their cars. When the gun or horn sounded, they ran to the cockpit, jumped in, strapped up, fired the engine and took off.

I would bet that the majority of them didn't even have their seat belts tightened as they were rolling off.
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RACER,Apr 8 2005, 03:38 PM
I would bet that the majority of them didn't even have their seat belts tightened as they were rolling off.
Yes, that's what I was talking about. In fact, it was the belt problem that finally eliminated the "Le Mans" start. Remember that race cars didn't used to even have seat belts.

There was no gun or horn -- it was the dropping of the French flag that kicked off the race.
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 03:46 PM
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I'd love to see a bunch of guys with HANS devices hobbling towards their cars and then try to secure a six point harness while driving in competitive traffic. Morbid Comedy for sure.
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Apr 8 2005, 04:42 PM
Remember that race cars didn't used to even have seat belts.
I think seat belts came into existence in the mid 50's

Race car drivers from the early 50's and earlier had balls of steel.
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