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Nov 22, 2004 | 09:49 AM

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fluxen

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Originally Posted by twohoos,Nov 22 2004, 10:27 AM

Yeah, the first thing I noticed was that he's a "shuffle-steerer". That's great for the street (keeps your arms out of the path of a potential air bag deployment), but is just too slow for the track. I think that was definitely a contributing factor in his failure to add enough opposite lock.

Disagree. I'm a shuffle steerer too, and we all know how blazingly fast I am

This has been discussed at legnth over the years, and it's been shown that "Legends of Motorsport" fall on both sides of this technique; some do it, some don't. It doesn't seem to be a disadvantage if it works for you.

Then again, in real race cars, the ratio is tight and you rarely have to move your hands.

Nov 22, 2004 | 09:58 AM

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The Reverend

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I'm with John. Rylan convinced me to become a shuffle steerer this year and I feel it has definitely improved my car control and made me faster. I don't think that was the problem in this video.

Nov 22, 2004 | 11:42 AM

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twohoos

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From: Redondo Beach

Didn't mean to slam shuffle-steering in general -- I do it too!

But only when I need to turn the wheel more than 180 degrees (i.e. when completely crossed arms is still not enough steering input). And of course it's useful when space is cramped (e.g. if there's little or no space between the wheel and your legs for your hand to pass through).

But in the vid he was shuffling even for gentle sweepers, when the wheel wasn't even turned 60-90 degrees. And when the rear broke away, he lost valuable reaction time by shuffling in his countersteer.

Nov 22, 2004 | 11:55 AM

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bartekb93

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Originally Posted by CoralDoc,Nov 22 2004, 06:39 AM

The video has been analyzed to death on the interrnet boards. The Subaru Legacy driver admits to screwing up and wanted others to benefit from his mistake, so he posted the video. That was very generous of him. The consensus is that he went in hot and a little early, didn't countersteer soon enough or with enough lock and he may have lifted. Let this be a lesson for all of us that play on the track, unless you're Schumacher, at some point you run out of talent when you need it most.

The car rolled because he slid off sideways and his wheels dug into the soft soil. I've seen this happen to other cars too, so stay on the pavement or go off straight if you have the choice.

I think this is one of the threads you're looking for. By the driver himself...
http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthrea...highlight=video

And this is the site you'll get even more info from:
http://www.opentracking.com/rolled_it.htm

Nov 23, 2004 | 08:23 AM

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fluxen

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Originally Posted by twohoos,Nov 22 2004, 12:42 PM

Didn't mean to slam shuffle-steering in general -- I do it too!

I don't go near crossing my arms. I'll shuffle if I exceed 90* of turn, basically my instinct is to shuffle once my bottom hand gets near my junk...errr...cause there just ain't no clearance beyond that

Nov 26, 2004 | 01:01 PM

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youngjun91

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From: Chicagoland

Good finds bartekb93. So one of the things he says is that he should have "floored the gas" when he starts to get loose, because then he would have probably just "pulled through". I understand in theory lift-throttle-oversteer, BUT do you think in our cars we could have "floored it" and recovered in the same situation? Remember, his is a 165hp-ish Legacy (AWD?).