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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OldDogmeat
Originally Posted by MMisencik157' timestamp='1326248384' post='21305057
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Some of you guys are silly.

Want great braking performance? Follow these easy steps:
1) Buy cheap brake rotors for ~$45 a piece
2) Buy good race pads like DTC-60 or XP-10 or similar
3) Run them for about two+ track weekends till they wear out, then replace

Unless you are FI or make crazy power, you don't need anything more exotic than this. Anything more is a waste of money.
I tried the 'cheap as chips' approach and managed to lose half a days worth of tracktime when my brakes were mullered by the lunch break (warped front OEM rotors chewed up by DS2500 pads and later discovered cracks in the rears, It wasn't pad deposit either at the front as most immediately cry, I was braking very hard and there's no way deposit would have remained on the rotor surface, I also performed a crude runout test in the paddock which proved they were warped).

Half a trackday lost because I drive to the circuit and so dont carry spares and tools; half a day costing around £120. totally gutted and had to limp home.

So I'm not really a big fan of the cheap and cheerful approach, not when it can ruin your day like that. I'd rather spend a bit of cash and know that my brakes wont be an issue and that they'll last me at least a half dozen track days hastle free.

If I trailered the car then I would probably find a cheaper solution as you have and so be it if you have to throw more rotors on during the day.
How old were your rotors when you warped them? when I bought my car it came with the original 3 year old rotors and they warped pretty quickly. I would give cheap rotors another try (maybe centric premiums) and make sure you bring spares just in case. I doubt spending $500 on expensive 1 piece rotors will be a better soulution, but who knows maybe it could work for you.
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The OEM rotors were approx 1 year old but the car had been an ex demo car that I bought from a Honda dealer with only 1000 miles on it and this was perhaps only 2 months into ownership (I bought the car with the specific intention of using it on track as well as daily driving so didn't waste any time getting it onto my local circuit)

There are 2 fairly big stops on Oulton Park circuit; the first at the Knickerbrook chicane from the Hilltop straight and the second into Lodge.. both stops in excess of 110mph and the first on a downhill.
http://www.oultonpark.co.uk/circuit-information.aspx

Its not the hardest circuit on brakes and I was suprised that I'd destroyed what were relatively newish rotors (I assume they were OEM as the car came from a Honda dealer).

As I say, that day left a bitter taste and I vowed not to use OEM or cheap blank rotors again through fear of the same thing happening and ruining what was up to that point a great trackday.

However, after reading some of the replies on this thread I think I will try the cheap rotor thing again as I've found a great source of dirt cheap rotors.. BUT I will try a differnt pad to the DS2500 as perhaps this played a part..

I spoke yesterday to Carbotech Europe and the chap I spoke to was very confidence inspiring and very knowledgeable so I think I may try these. He suggested XP10 or XP12 on front and XP8 or XP10 on rear.

I will still be trying the Dixcel setup as well as I'm keen to see just how they do perform with such rave reviews from at least this side of the pond
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You will love the carbotechs but just know that those pads will put more heat into the rotors than the ferodos. Best of luck with the dixcel rotors, make sure to post your experience with them. Also, BowlofRice has a good point with the racing brake stock sized 2 piece rotor. Just for shits and giggles take a look and see what you think, they're in the same price range as the dixcels.
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Old Jan 11, 2012 | 11:02 PM
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I did look at the RacingBrake 2 piece but theyre £423 for the fronts before shipping which for such heavy items to the UK will be considerable and on top of all that there;s Import duty and whatever other thieving taxes our UK government decide they wish to rape me for. It would then be a similar story for me for replacement rotor rings, ie, shipping and taxes.

Don't get me wrong I would have these on the car like a shot if they were available here in the UK at a reasonable cost but the only 2-piece I can find here in the UK with an acceptable price tag is the CompBrake solution but I have just been warned about these and shown images of what they looked like after only light use which has put me off them.

I've just sorted a really good deal on the Dixcels with Dixon at DMS Motorsport so I'll follow this thread up later down the line once I've had the chance to put them to use.

Thanks for everyones input on this btw.. it's good to get other views and opinions and it's given me a few ideas for later this year
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 08:53 AM
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The UK has an authorized reseller. Or was that a quote from them?

Taken from the authorized reseller page on racingbrake.com

United Kingdom
Shy Auto Developments Ltd (Mazda Rotary Parts)
The Old Rectory Business Centre
Springhead Road
Northfleet
Kent DA11 0HH
United Kingdom
+44 (0) 1474 361800
sales@shyauto.com & sales@mazdarotaryparts.com
http://www.shyauto.com & www.mazdarotaryparts.com
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BowlofRice
The UK has an authorized reseller. Or was that a quote from them?

Taken from the authorized reseller page on racingbrake.com

United Kingdom
Shy Auto Developments Ltd (Mazda Rotary Parts)
The Old Rectory Business Centre
Springhead Road
Northfleet
Kent DA11 0HH
United Kingdom
+44 (0) 1474 361800
sales@shyauto.com & sales@mazdarotaryparts.com
http://www.shyauto.com & www.mazdarotaryparts.com
Yep, I found that when looking at RacingBrake's site but if you look at both websites one is a car polishing products type site and the other is a Mazda rotary based cars site, the two sites are linked so I'm guessing they sell rotors specific to the Mazda cars and car cleaning guff.. doesnt look very promising to me.. I will email them and see though..
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 09:46 PM
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hee, save you're money man, stock pads+rotors are more than fine...
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 10:10 PM
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Stock pads do not hold up for track use. They fade fast and can't take the heat.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ApWhat
hee, save you're money man, stock pads+rotors are more than fine...
Originally Posted by ApWhat
hey guys, save you some money.. you just cnc out, inch plate, half inch steep, drill a hole for the ball joint/two bols.. i think i spent $65 making mine? You don't need rears.

its just a spacer.. with new ball joints hehe

ohh.. yes.. you need to know how to use a micrometer and basic math hehe
Hey, save our time and stop posting the same stupid shit...

BTW, I saved myself $30K. I made my S2000 out of legos, super glue, kinex, aluminum cans, and some balsa wood for extra light weight.
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Old Jan 14, 2012 | 09:05 PM
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Old Jan 15, 2012 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullwings
Originally Posted by ApWhat' timestamp='1326523561' post='21316145
hee, save you're money man, stock pads+rotors are more than fine...
Originally Posted by ApWhat
hey guys, save you some money.. you just cnc out, inch plate, half inch steep, drill a hole for the ball joint/two bols.. i think i spent $65 making mine? You don't need rears.

its just a spacer.. with new ball joints hehe

ohh.. yes.. you need to know how to use a micrometer and basic math hehe
Hey, save our time and stop posting the same stupid shit...

BTW, I saved myself $30K. I made my S2000 out of legos, super glue, kinex, aluminum cans, and some balsa wood for extra light weight.
lol.
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Old Jan 15, 2012 | 06:35 AM
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Spare brakes and tools to change them should be on most people's basic trackside list.

If you don't carry some spare equipment + tools, then expect to have a wasted track day here and there. It happens. These are machines and take constant servicing and maintenance to keep safe on track.
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