Dry Sump......
There are plenty of cars that have to run higher-than-normal amounts of oil to prevent starvation on the autocross course, with the C4 Corvette being a prime example.
The losses incurred driving of the oil pump are one factor, the losses due to the crank whipping through a pool of oil are another separate one. In high rpm situations windage losses can be significant. "Knife-edging" a crankshaft is an old racer's trick done not just for lightening, but to minimize this loss.
The ability to reducing or eliminating windage with a dry sump presents a concrete performance advantage.
The losses incurred driving of the oil pump are one factor, the losses due to the crank whipping through a pool of oil are another separate one. In high rpm situations windage losses can be significant. "Knife-edging" a crankshaft is an old racer's trick done not just for lightening, but to minimize this loss.
The ability to reducing or eliminating windage with a dry sump presents a concrete performance advantage.
baffle baffle
Moroso has come out with a bunch of new dry sump kits for HONDA engines...of course not for F series.
http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisp...p?CatCode=13939
Moroso has come out with a bunch of new dry sump kits for HONDA engines...of course not for F series.
http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisp...p?CatCode=13939
Originally Posted by krazik,Oct 29 2004, 08:48 PM
Baffle doesn't do shit for anything thats sustained tho.
Plus, if you will be racing with us, you will be running on RA1's and therefore have less g forces anyways.
A few Q's:
How much vacuum will the pump intend to pull? Will an adjustable vacuum relief valve be needed on the valvecover or on a dedicated oil vapor canister?
Are you intending to drive the pump off a V-belt or a cog system, and can it be overdriven with your choice of pullies?
How big of a resevoir tank will be needed for the intedned flow? Will it be a Patterson-like anti-foam, antibubble, swirl generator type?
A couple of friends and I are brainstorming a motor we may be building soon.
Thanks!
How much vacuum will the pump intend to pull? Will an adjustable vacuum relief valve be needed on the valvecover or on a dedicated oil vapor canister?
Are you intending to drive the pump off a V-belt or a cog system, and can it be overdriven with your choice of pullies?
How big of a resevoir tank will be needed for the intedned flow? Will it be a Patterson-like anti-foam, antibubble, swirl generator type?
A couple of friends and I are brainstorming a motor we may be building soon.
Thanks!
Had a look on Spoon & King sites - but only found baffled sumps.
I've been in contact with the guy here in the UK that's dry sumped the F20C powered westfield (clubman/Lotus 7
) as I'm working on a similar project - here's the only photo I could find that shows anything of the dry sump system:

The dry sump tank is in the foreground. The sump came from Race Engine Design for GBP 1000 +VAT (UK sales tax @ 17.5%)
From reports I've heard it works very well
If you're considering a group buy - please let me know
PS - anybody have a 'spare' gearshift (stickshift) lever they want to sell - as I'm trying to rebuild a 'bare' gearbox
Steve
I've been in contact with the guy here in the UK that's dry sumped the F20C powered westfield (clubman/Lotus 7
) as I'm working on a similar project - here's the only photo I could find that shows anything of the dry sump system:
The dry sump tank is in the foreground. The sump came from Race Engine Design for GBP 1000 +VAT (UK sales tax @ 17.5%)
From reports I've heard it works very well
If you're considering a group buy - please let me know
PS - anybody have a 'spare' gearshift (stickshift) lever they want to sell - as I'm trying to rebuild a 'bare' gearbox
Steve






