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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 11:12 AM
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After looking at building a spare motor in either a high compression or stroked variant, I've pretty much decided that if and when my S2000 needs a motor, I'm going to J swap it.
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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrsideways
This is going off memory not receipts but this is how I remember mine.

Engines....
Used engine #1 $900
Used engine #2 $400
Bran new block, crank, rods, pistons, machineshop work , bearings etc etc Engine #3 $4500
Engine number one Built 12:1 pistons Eagle Rods and Machine work $1500
Engine number two Built, Same pistons, added Carrilo Rods, new bearings Machine work $1900

Cylinder head
Ported TSX head with Ferrera Valves and Valve springs $2800

Tuning and dyno time $1000 (most recent)
Tuning and work hunting an issue $1700 (previous).

Cams
Kelford B's $800
Drag Cartel 4's with Custom VTC pulley $1300

Intake
Intake Manifold Adapter to use Stock Intake $200
Excessive manufacturing Kpro Manifold with velocity stacks and spacer $800
74mm Throttle body used $100ish

New Starter (from honda) the autozone one failed
New Alternator (from honda) the autozone one failed
New Water Pump from Honda
New Crank pulley (junk yard motor crank pulleys looked destroyed).

Injecotors and fuel rail.
550 cc injectors and inline pro Rail ($500 ish)
RDX injectors and Skunk rail ($400 ish).

Haltech ECU $1100

Engine mounts and brackets and adapter to OS Giken Clutch $1500

Headers
Custom Stainless headers header $1200
ASP custom header $1800

$400 in misc parts from one of the Kswap companies for Tstat housing and water outlet on the back of the head.

I'm sure theres more, but you can kinda get the idea.This doesn't even cover the nickle and dime stuff. For Instance I got sick of running to Ace every hour for nuts and bolts so I ordered an insane number of nuts and bolts from Honda just to make sure I had a huge stack to keep working when I worked on it. I think I spent $400 in nuts and bolts. I have enough spares to do this swap again 4 times. Also not included is gaskets and seals of which all were new each time I replaced the engine.

Now I must Delete this so my wife doesn't see it.
Did you have fun experimenting? It looks like you ended up with duplicates of everything except the head and ECU. Did you have multiple tuning costs on the ECU for the different configurations? Did you get dyno runs with the different camshafts?
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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ
Originally Posted by Mrsideways' timestamp='1434552647' post='23651181
This is going off memory not receipts but this is how I remember mine.

Engines....
Used engine #1 $900
Used engine #2 $400
Bran new block, crank, rods, pistons, machineshop work , bearings etc etc Engine #3 $4500
Engine number one Built 12:1 pistons Eagle Rods and Machine work $1500
Engine number two Built, Same pistons, added Carrilo Rods, new bearings Machine work $1900

Cylinder head
Ported TSX head with Ferrera Valves and Valve springs $2800

Tuning and dyno time $1000 (most recent)
Tuning and work hunting an issue $1700 (previous).

Cams
Kelford B's $800
Drag Cartel 4's with Custom VTC pulley $1300

Intake
Intake Manifold Adapter to use Stock Intake $200
Excessive manufacturing Kpro Manifold with velocity stacks and spacer $800
74mm Throttle body used $100ish

New Starter (from honda) the autozone one failed
New Alternator (from honda) the autozone one failed
New Water Pump from Honda
New Crank pulley (junk yard motor crank pulleys looked destroyed).

Injecotors and fuel rail.
550 cc injectors and inline pro Rail ($500 ish)
RDX injectors and Skunk rail ($400 ish).

Haltech ECU $1100

Engine mounts and brackets and adapter to OS Giken Clutch $1500

Headers
Custom Stainless headers header $1200
ASP custom header $1800

$400 in misc parts from one of the Kswap companies for Tstat housing and water outlet on the back of the head.

I'm sure theres more, but you can kinda get the idea.This doesn't even cover the nickle and dime stuff. For Instance I got sick of running to Ace every hour for nuts and bolts so I ordered an insane number of nuts and bolts from Honda just to make sure I had a huge stack to keep working when I worked on it. I think I spent $400 in nuts and bolts. I have enough spares to do this swap again 4 times. Also not included is gaskets and seals of which all were new each time I replaced the engine.

Now I must Delete this so my wife doesn't see it.
Did you have fun experimenting? It looks like you ended up with duplicates of everything except the head and ECU. Did you have multiple tuning costs on the ECU for the different configurations? Did you get dyno runs with the different camshafts?
Each time it was the fact that I had to take it apart to solve a problem with something else, and then the "well I'm in there, I might as well....." was very hard on my wallet. And example being, the starter failed and I had to take the Intake off, which sucks! So while I had the intake off I decided to buy one that didn't suck to remove.... enter the excessive manufacturing manifold. The problem is this is over 4 years so each time I added stuff I had just paid off the CC debt from the previous round. It's done and debt free with engine #3 and all the gaskets needed to put it in sitting there. Won't cost me a cent to do the next round. I just need time and understanding friends to come help (who have helped me do it twice already for nothing but Pizza and beer). It's a 3 person job getting the adapter plate and transmission lined up.

Oh and I did almost buy a CTR head just to "experiment".

Now I have sold a number of the things I took off, but at a fraction of what I paid for the parts.
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Old Jun 17, 2015 | 04:36 PM
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Would a K24 crate engine have simplified things? http://www.kmodperformance.com/KMOD-...e-Engines.html
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Old Jun 18, 2015 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ
Would a K24 crate engine have simplified things? http://www.kmodperformance.com/KMOD-...e-Engines.html
Maybe, Maybe not. The Budget pretty decent HP build would be to mod a S2000 header to fit (I have one 90% of the way modded, it just need a really good welder to finish it). Port the daylights out of the S2000 Intake manifold. Use a Civic Si or CTR cylinder head with some less aggressive cams, Use an accord block, Run some 12.5:1 Forged Pistons and good rods. That's the way to get it done for Under $10k. The sad part is I think you'll make similar power to where I'm at. Difference is I think Mine can make a ton more power with some more RPM and more compression, where as I think the above setup would be tapped out. But you gain the VTC control and that's pretty valuable for mid range power. Thats something the F24 can't get.
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Old Jun 18, 2015 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrsideways
Originally Posted by DavidNJ' timestamp='1434587819' post='23651847
Would a K24 crate engine have simplified things? http://www.kmodperfo...te-Engines.html
Maybe, Maybe not. The Budget pretty decent HP build would be to mod a S2000 header to fit (I have one 90% of the way modded, it just need a really good welder to finish it). Port the daylights out of the S2000 Intake manifold. Use a Civic Si or CTR cylinder head with some less aggressive cams, Use an accord block, Run some 12.5:1 Forged Pistons and good rods. That's the way to get it done for Under $10k. The sad part is I think you'll make similar power to where I'm at. Difference is I think Mine can make a ton more power with some more RPM and more compression, where as I think the above setup would be tapped out. But you gain the VTC control and that's pretty valuable for mid range power. Thats something the F24 can't get.
Couldn't you have just ordered a custom header? I'd imagine the difference is going to be a slight difference in position and maybe the flange. The header snake of pipes is always a problem getting the lengths and stepping, if any right. While I never used them, I understand many top teams use Burns Stainless: http://www.burnsstainless.com/megaphones.aspx
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Old Jun 18, 2015 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrsideways
Maybe, Maybe not. The Budget pretty decent HP build would be to mod a S2000 header to fit (I have one 90% of the way modded, it just need a really good welder to finish it). Port the daylights out of the S2000 Intake manifold. Use a Civic Si or CTR cylinder head with some less aggressive cams, Use an accord block, Run some 12.5:1 Forged Pistons and good rods. That's the way to get it done for Under $10k. The sad part is I think you'll make similar power to where I'm at. Difference is I think Mine can make a ton more power with some more RPM and more compression, where as I think the above setup would be tapped out. But you gain the VTC control and that's pretty valuable for mid range power. Thats something the F24 can't get.
My buddy showed me an Import Tuner article where they added VTC to an F22. It really helped turbo spool, but I doubt the added money and complexity are worth the gain in midrange.
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Old Jun 18, 2015 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ
Originally Posted by Mrsideways' timestamp='1434634321' post='23652250
[quote name='DavidNJ' timestamp='1434587819' post='23651847']
Would a K24 crate engine have simplified things? http://www.kmodperfo...te-Engines.html
Maybe, Maybe not. The Budget pretty decent HP build would be to mod a S2000 header to fit (I have one 90% of the way modded, it just need a really good welder to finish it). Port the daylights out of the S2000 Intake manifold. Use a Civic Si or CTR cylinder head with some less aggressive cams, Use an accord block, Run some 12.5:1 Forged Pistons and good rods. That's the way to get it done for Under $10k. The sad part is I think you'll make similar power to where I'm at. Difference is I think Mine can make a ton more power with some more RPM and more compression, where as I think the above setup would be tapped out. But you gain the VTC control and that's pretty valuable for mid range power. Thats something the F24 can't get.
Couldn't you have just ordered a custom header? I'd imagine the difference is going to be a slight difference in position and maybe the flange. The header snake of pipes is always a problem getting the lengths and stepping, if any right. While I never used them, I understand many top teams use Burns Stainless: http://www.burnsstainless.com/megaphones.aspx
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That's what I did. First one I designed and had built, 2nd one I had ASP design and build it.
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Old Jun 18, 2015 | 05:28 PM
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I have always been told the intake for the F motor was the bottle neck. ITB's seem expensive so I would like to see what comes of this:

http://cms.skunk2.com/id/1007/Sneak-...take-Manifold/
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Old Jun 18, 2015 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by miamirice
I have always been told the intake for the F motor was the bottle neck. ITB's seem expensive so I would like to see what comes of this:

http://cms.skunk2.co...ntake-Manifold/
5 years ago Hytech did an ITB, cam, header, exhaust, and AEM ECU bolt on to an F22c that yielded 283 whp. Pics never showed an air filter though. Haven't heard anything about it since. Never saw the actual dyno sheet but it claimed "power climbed from the non-VTEC lobes onto the VTEC ones through a seamless crossover."

From the text it seems the ITB cured intake restrictions, they used a billet cam with a severe ramp, my guess is on both VTEC and non-VTEC lobes, a header tuned to the cam, and ECU tuning for the package. Not cheap, the bolt-ons were over $10k.


http://www.superstre...a-s2000-tuning/
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