GPS based Lap Timer
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Originally Posted by The Reverend,Jul 22 2005, 12:33 PM
My money is on the removed sway bar setup being slower.
. He picked up like 2 seconds, but I wanted to know more about where he picked up the time.
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I will post a comparison graph later but I picked up little bit more entry speed up Turn 3 (Up hill) as I was able to give it gas rather then oversteering.
Excuse generator: My car was handling very odd that weekend. Experienced too much oversteer.
Excuse generator: My car was handling very odd that weekend. Experienced too much oversteer.
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I just wanted to drop by and say thanks to Maxrev and JL for the information posted about our G2X. I typically do not like to post where there are conversations concerning our product, but the review by MR was done so well, that I just wanted to add a few thoughts.
First, the G2X is an offspring of our Nascar GPS based data systems. We have spent the last 5 years and probably a million $ in a research and development program, in order to insure the accuracy of our systems. I know I have spent many many days at racetracks all across the country, helping test and develop the systems.
Jack's post mentioned the accuracy and signal issues concerning GPS systems. If this was 5 years ago, I would agree. However, we have thousands and thousands of laps, at many different locations across the country (and other countries) dedicated to developing these systems. My Nascar teams spend no less than $25,000 to $35,000 per test, per team, when using our systems. If they are willing to base multimillion dollar sponsorships and large testing budgets, utilizing our systems, we hope to gain the trust of our sportsman customers, also.
The technical side of making all of our GPS systems work, is astounding. We tried to not leave anything to chance, and have thoroughly tested every aspect of these systems. I have ran the G2X and our other systems at many different forms of racetracks, from the rain and fog at Watkins Glen, to the Nascar track at Bristol..which is the most difficult track of all....it is one giant antenna dish... to
the deserts of Ca...the ocean at Key West (our offshore powerboat customers run our systems) and etc....I have yet to find any location that the G2X is not able to provide data. That is not to say that they are perfect...if you bury one in trees or a tunnel for a period of time, then obviously they would have trouble.
Of course, any system is subject to problems...every forget to turn on your beacon transmitter or have the battery go dead? Yes, hard wired tracks provide good laptimes..as long as you are running at a track that is wired. For many users racing at various tracks, that is not an option. I can say, coming from a Nascar data background, I had more problems getting laptime data using standard transmitters and receivers, than I ever did after I started using GPS for timing information. We quote a lap time variance of .05..but I usually see .02 or less on many runs...then the question is, which is correct, the beacon or GPS. I know from the many many laps I reviewed of many professional drivers, I have not seen many that know they were .05 different on a lap.
The G2x is a full blown data logger, capable of accepting up to 32 of any our "smart sensors". As JL mentioned, our system is really designed to provide good data via the dash, with a great post run data analysis program...which is where the gains are made. The DL1 provides great on-track information, for instant driver analysis.
Our software can operate on Windows 98 up to XP. We like to thing the G2X is a great way for racers to get into real data system, with the potential for expansion as their pocketbook allows. It will introduce many users to the concept of how to obtain, graph and review data, then work their way up to more sensors, etc...
We are a 20 year old company, with over 10,000 data systems in use. We are involved in Nascar, Road Racing, pretty much all of professional drag racing, boats, motorcycles, jetskis, etc. All of our systems are designed and produced in Southern California, with engineering, tech support and ordering staff at the main location. I am actually located in our Bristol, TN office. We have a beta version of our website in place...but do not judge it too harshly, until I can get the webcompany to properly update and change the site to what it was intended to look like.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me. Thanks
First, the G2X is an offspring of our Nascar GPS based data systems. We have spent the last 5 years and probably a million $ in a research and development program, in order to insure the accuracy of our systems. I know I have spent many many days at racetracks all across the country, helping test and develop the systems.
Jack's post mentioned the accuracy and signal issues concerning GPS systems. If this was 5 years ago, I would agree. However, we have thousands and thousands of laps, at many different locations across the country (and other countries) dedicated to developing these systems. My Nascar teams spend no less than $25,000 to $35,000 per test, per team, when using our systems. If they are willing to base multimillion dollar sponsorships and large testing budgets, utilizing our systems, we hope to gain the trust of our sportsman customers, also.
The technical side of making all of our GPS systems work, is astounding. We tried to not leave anything to chance, and have thoroughly tested every aspect of these systems. I have ran the G2X and our other systems at many different forms of racetracks, from the rain and fog at Watkins Glen, to the Nascar track at Bristol..which is the most difficult track of all....it is one giant antenna dish... to
the deserts of Ca...the ocean at Key West (our offshore powerboat customers run our systems) and etc....I have yet to find any location that the G2X is not able to provide data. That is not to say that they are perfect...if you bury one in trees or a tunnel for a period of time, then obviously they would have trouble.
Of course, any system is subject to problems...every forget to turn on your beacon transmitter or have the battery go dead? Yes, hard wired tracks provide good laptimes..as long as you are running at a track that is wired. For many users racing at various tracks, that is not an option. I can say, coming from a Nascar data background, I had more problems getting laptime data using standard transmitters and receivers, than I ever did after I started using GPS for timing information. We quote a lap time variance of .05..but I usually see .02 or less on many runs...then the question is, which is correct, the beacon or GPS. I know from the many many laps I reviewed of many professional drivers, I have not seen many that know they were .05 different on a lap.
The G2x is a full blown data logger, capable of accepting up to 32 of any our "smart sensors". As JL mentioned, our system is really designed to provide good data via the dash, with a great post run data analysis program...which is where the gains are made. The DL1 provides great on-track information, for instant driver analysis.
Our software can operate on Windows 98 up to XP. We like to thing the G2X is a great way for racers to get into real data system, with the potential for expansion as their pocketbook allows. It will introduce many users to the concept of how to obtain, graph and review data, then work their way up to more sensors, etc...
We are a 20 year old company, with over 10,000 data systems in use. We are involved in Nascar, Road Racing, pretty much all of professional drag racing, boats, motorcycles, jetskis, etc. All of our systems are designed and produced in Southern California, with engineering, tech support and ordering staff at the main location. I am actually located in our Bristol, TN office. We have a beta version of our website in place...but do not judge it too harshly, until I can get the webcompany to properly update and change the site to what it was intended to look like.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me. Thanks
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Originally Posted by sfphinkterMC,Jul 22 2005, 08:02 PM
Anyone have any feedback on the AMB in car displayIT?
anybody know the cost for it?
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I just wanted to drop by and say thanks to Maxrev and JL for the information posted about our G2X. I typically do not like to post where there are conversations concerning our product, but the review by MR was done so well, that I just wanted to add a few thoughts.
First, the G2X is an offspring of our Nascar GPS based data systems. We have spent the last 5 years and probably a million $ in a research and development program, in order to insure the accuracy of our systems. I know I have spent many many days at racetracks all across the country, helping test and develop the systems.
Jack's post mentioned the accuracy and signal issues concerning GPS systems. If this was 5 years ago, I would agree. However, we have thousands and thousands of laps, at many different locations across the country (and other countries) dedicated to developing these systems. My Nascar teams spend no less than $25,000 to $35,000 per test, per team, when using our systems. If they are willing to base multimillion dollar sponsorships and large testing budgets, utilizing our systems, we hope to gain the trust of our sportsman customers, also.
The technical side of making all of our GPS systems work, is astounding. We tried to not leave anything to chance, and have thoroughly tested every aspect of these systems. I have ran the G2X and our other systems at many different forms of racetracks, from the rain and fog at Watkins Glen, to the Nascar track at Bristol..which is the most difficult track of all....it is one giant antenna dish... to
the deserts of Ca...the ocean at Key West (our offshore powerboat customers run our systems) and etc....I have yet to find any location that the G2X is not able to provide data. That is not to say that they are perfect...if you bury one in trees or a tunnel for a period of time, then obviously they would have trouble.
Of course, any system is subject to problems...every forget to turn on your beacon transmitter or have the battery go dead? Yes, hard wired tracks provide good laptimes..as long as you are running at a track that is wired. For many users racing at various tracks, that is not an option. I can say, coming from a Nascar data background, I had more problems getting laptime data using standard transmitters and receivers, than I ever did after I started using GPS for timing information. We quote a lap time variance of .05..but I usually see .02 or less on many runs...then the question is, which is correct, the beacon or GPS. I know from the many many laps I reviewed of many professional drivers, I have not seen many that know they were .05 different on a lap.
The G2x is a full blown data logger, capable of accepting up to 32 of any our "smart sensors". As JL mentioned, our system is really designed to provide good data via the dash, with a great post run data analysis program...which is where the gains are made. The DL1 provides great on-track information, for instant driver analysis.
Our software can operate on Windows 98 up to XP. We like to thing the G2X is a great way for racers to get into real data system, with the potential for expansion as their pocketbook allows. It will introduce many users to the concept of how to obtain, graph and review data, then work their way up to more sensors, etc...
We are a 20 year old company, with over 10,000 data systems in use. We are involved in Nascar, Road Racing, pretty much all of professional drag racing, boats, motorcycles, jetskis, etc. All of our systems are designed and produced in Southern California, with engineering, tech support and ordering staff at the main location. I am actually located in our Bristol, TN office. We have a beta version of our website in place...but do not judge it too harshly, until I can get the webcompany to properly update and change the site to what it was intended to look like.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me. Thanks
First, the G2X is an offspring of our Nascar GPS based data systems. We have spent the last 5 years and probably a million $ in a research and development program, in order to insure the accuracy of our systems. I know I have spent many many days at racetracks all across the country, helping test and develop the systems.
Jack's post mentioned the accuracy and signal issues concerning GPS systems. If this was 5 years ago, I would agree. However, we have thousands and thousands of laps, at many different locations across the country (and other countries) dedicated to developing these systems. My Nascar teams spend no less than $25,000 to $35,000 per test, per team, when using our systems. If they are willing to base multimillion dollar sponsorships and large testing budgets, utilizing our systems, we hope to gain the trust of our sportsman customers, also.
The technical side of making all of our GPS systems work, is astounding. We tried to not leave anything to chance, and have thoroughly tested every aspect of these systems. I have ran the G2X and our other systems at many different forms of racetracks, from the rain and fog at Watkins Glen, to the Nascar track at Bristol..which is the most difficult track of all....it is one giant antenna dish... to
the deserts of Ca...the ocean at Key West (our offshore powerboat customers run our systems) and etc....I have yet to find any location that the G2X is not able to provide data. That is not to say that they are perfect...if you bury one in trees or a tunnel for a period of time, then obviously they would have trouble.
Of course, any system is subject to problems...every forget to turn on your beacon transmitter or have the battery go dead? Yes, hard wired tracks provide good laptimes..as long as you are running at a track that is wired. For many users racing at various tracks, that is not an option. I can say, coming from a Nascar data background, I had more problems getting laptime data using standard transmitters and receivers, than I ever did after I started using GPS for timing information. We quote a lap time variance of .05..but I usually see .02 or less on many runs...then the question is, which is correct, the beacon or GPS. I know from the many many laps I reviewed of many professional drivers, I have not seen many that know they were .05 different on a lap.
The G2x is a full blown data logger, capable of accepting up to 32 of any our "smart sensors". As JL mentioned, our system is really designed to provide good data via the dash, with a great post run data analysis program...which is where the gains are made. The DL1 provides great on-track information, for instant driver analysis.
Our software can operate on Windows 98 up to XP. We like to thing the G2X is a great way for racers to get into real data system, with the potential for expansion as their pocketbook allows. It will introduce many users to the concept of how to obtain, graph and review data, then work their way up to more sensors, etc...
We are a 20 year old company, with over 10,000 data systems in use. We are involved in Nascar, Road Racing, pretty much all of professional drag racing, boats, motorcycles, jetskis, etc. All of our systems are designed and produced in Southern California, with engineering, tech support and ordering staff at the main location. I am actually located in our Bristol, TN office. We have a beta version of our website in place...but do not judge it too harshly, until I can get the webcompany to properly update and change the site to what it was intended to look like.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me. Thanks
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Originally Posted by sfphinkterMC,Jul 22 2005, 11:02 PM
how does one post data/graphs from the race-technologies software?
Anyone have any feedback on the AMB in car displayIT?
Anyone have any feedback on the AMB in car displayIT?
One of the guys I race with in T2 at Nationals, Bill Baten, has the AMB unit in his Camaro. He's really disappoint for several reasons. The advance features are dependant on the SCCA region (or whoever is hosting the event) upgrading their AMB software, the display is hard to read if direct sunlight is on it and the final big kicker is the unit doesn't save anything. If power off before reviewing your laps, their gone.
Also a question from myself, is I dont' think it works if an AMB timing system is not running (track day, etc..)?
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Here's some physical comparisons to the units:
How they come (after unpacking, each item is individually wrapped or boxed):
The ram mount pictured on the G2X display does not come with it but it an excellent & secure way to mount the unit if you don't want something permenant. I think that particular mount is ~$26; the plate was just made from scrap aluminum. Here's a better look at the mount:
How they come (after unpacking, each item is individually wrapped or boxed):
The ram mount pictured on the G2X display does not come with it but it an excellent & secure way to mount the unit if you don't want something permenant. I think that particular mount is ~$26; the plate was just made from scrap aluminum. Here's a better look at the mount:
