Hitting someone else on-track... responsibility?
Originally Posted by JustinMcC,May 4 2005, 04:29 PM
When my car was my daily driver I'd never follow really close or try any risky passes and if someone was driving like an idiot or the traffic was really heavy, i'd just hop into the pits and wait for a nice opening and then enter the track again, works out great everytime....
Originally Posted by jyeung528,May 4 2005, 03:59 PM
this shits got me paranoid...first track day on may 8th
Originally Posted by Ludedude,May 4 2005, 05:34 PM
You shouldn't have to "be quite aggressive coming into a passing zone; i.e. get pretty close to their tail" in an HPDE. Besides the fact that the other driver should be aware that you've caught up to him/her and courteously let you pass, you can signal your presence by flashing your lights if they don't see you in a timely fashion.
I have had to make my presence known a few times.
Here's a visual aid
A slow GT3 at Barber
When Z06 let me by, I did not realize what was going on...he fed up with him and had me deal with this GT3
Even if he was holding me at the corners, I kept a distance to defend myself...Judging how he drove, he could spin or something..
It's a DE, not racing.. IMO, it's not worth to risk our cars to pass this kind of idiots...but if it's a driver who's known to be good or one I know, a little fun wouldn't be that risky.
The file size is about 35mb..sorry, 56k folks.
A slow GT3 at BarberWhen Z06 let me by, I did not realize what was going on...he fed up with him and had me deal with this GT3
Even if he was holding me at the corners, I kept a distance to defend myself...Judging how he drove, he could spin or something..
It's a DE, not racing.. IMO, it's not worth to risk our cars to pass this kind of idiots...but if it's a driver who's known to be good or one I know, a little fun wouldn't be that risky.
The file size is about 35mb..sorry, 56k folks.
It all depends which group you run it. In intermediate or beginner groups there are some drivers who are so focused on the track in front of them that they fail to see who is behind them. Some don't even notice corner workers. At one event I attended one driver actually missed a Black flag for 3 straight laps until the corner worker had to walk to the edge of the track to get his attention. You have to get pretty close for them to actually notice you. But if you follow too close and hit someone then you are pretty much at fault.
Best advice is to pull into the pits and get some space. It is all for fun. There is no need to place yourself or others in unnecessary harm.
Best advice is to pull into the pits and get some space. It is all for fun. There is no need to place yourself or others in unnecessary harm.
or how about this Integra who hold the NSX throughout the course and blew the engine in front of NSX.
This poor NSX slid all the way to the tirewall and demaged side of the car...
Not worth to risk our cars...
It was last week at VIR north..The camera was in my friend's Evo.
BTW, NSX driver did not hear anything from Integra driver...not even sorry..
This poor NSX slid all the way to the tirewall and demaged side of the car...
Not worth to risk our cars...
It was last week at VIR north..The camera was in my friend's Evo.
BTW, NSX driver did not hear anything from Integra driver...not even sorry..
You shouldn't have to "be quite aggressive coming into a passing zone; i.e. get pretty close to their tail" in an HPDE. Besides the fact that the other driver should be aware that you've caught up to him/her and courteously let you pass, you can signal your presence by flashing your lights if they don't see you in a timely fashion.
If you did that regularly (aggressively crawl up someones ass) in one of our intermediate sessions then you'd be pulled aside for a little attitude adjustment. It's 100% the responsibility of the passing vehicle to make sure the pass is done in a safe manner. If you hit the other car while passing them in an HPDE group (we're not talking a race here) then it's your fault.
If you did that regularly (aggressively crawl up someones ass) in one of our intermediate sessions then you'd be pulled aside for a little attitude adjustment. It's 100% the responsibility of the passing vehicle to make sure the pass is done in a safe manner. If you hit the other car while passing them in an HPDE group (we're not talking a race here) then it's your fault.
So, my instructor was telling me to get behind him, and generally make my intentions known that I wanted to pass (i.e. get right on his tail), so that it was obvious that I wanted to pass once we got onto the straight. He eventually got the message once I started doing that, and would signal the pass. (This scenario replayed itself through every run session for the rest of the day.)
Trust me, I don't want to be a jerk out there, and the last thing I want to do is plow into the car in front of me. That's why I was asking my original question, however: what happens if things go wrong?




