wing

So this is normal in the wet?

To answer some questions.

Tires: 235/45/17 all RA1 rain grooved (maybe 40 series don't remember)

Stock roll bars.

Take a set? Nah as I turn in it just starts to slide / wash out instantly.

It could very well be that the springs are just far too stiff for the car in the rain, in the dry the grip is there so the front takes the load and the weight transfers yet in the wet no weight transfer is occurring....

Question about swaybars while I'm at it.

Currently on my car are stock AP1 bars, but I have a set (front and rear) stock AP2 bars at home. Is the front bar softer on the AP2? I could swap that out if it is the case.

wing

Borbor, EVERYWHERE!

Sideways in the kink was a little ..... exciting to say the least at 140km/h...

Corner 2 was the most evident. But it is starting to sound like, the stiff setup just doesn't work well in the wet.

I would think a softer front bar might be useful.

wing

Oh and the funny thing is everything you read on the forums is about getting a stiffer front bar, I tired that once the car was undriveable it understeered like a deer on ice.

I suppose the very stiff front springs are the culprit here and I need some roll to get the grip back on the front. I'm also fairly confident in the car and certainly would not mention "snap oversteer" ever the car is progressive and very fun at the limit, except for the understeer.

mikegarrison

It's a general rule that cars want to be set up a lot softer for wet conditions than for dry conditions. Softer cars have more mechanical grip. Also, the weight transfer is less and slower in the wet, so roll is not as much of a problem.

mikegarrison

ps. My suggestion is to work on being able to get the power down when coming out of the corners. The understeer into the corners is solved easily enough by trailbraking, but it is not so acceptible to have to feather the throttle on corner exit. I think you'll find that's why so many people suggest bigger bars in the front. (It's also related to A-Stock rules, in which the front swaybar is one of the few things that can be adjusted.)

wing

Thanks mike.

Yes that is pretty much how I drive around it in Auto-x a lot of trail braking to the point where the rear is about to rotate then on the throttle.

I'm also supercharged so using the gas pedal like an egg is now my forte in the rain

Borbor

They usually don't

If you were sideways in the kink, 4-left must've been real fun with the car getting light as you crest that hill

mikegarrison

Ah! I didn't know that. A lot becomes more clear.

wing

4-left wasn't so bad since I backed off through spoon.

In the dry, I do find the front end needs more grip but I never have a problem getting the power down, maybe I'll try the AP2 front bar for kicks.

E_N

To bandaid the issue without any new parts, you could try going to full soft in rebound and increasing the bump damping in front. That would decrease the entry oversteer when you throw the car at the corner in attempt to get over the initial understeer.