Looking for a harness
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Thanks for the help guys. I think I may go with something nice like a schroth for myself and a less expensive yet equally as safe harness for the passenger seat. It will get far less use (ie wear and tear) and it's comfort won't be as much of an issue either. And if I feel that it's good enough, I may switch to that for the drivers side when it needs to be replaced. I definitely think I'm going cam-lock for both though.
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Do you need fully current FIA ratings on harnesses for HPDE and time trial? Because if they allow stock OEM seatbelts, maybe they don't have stringent harness rules? If that's the case, there will be plenty of people with expired, but perfectly good harnesses for sale cheap. I know autocrossers don't have an expiration requirement and a bunch of them will get their used harnesses from road racers.
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Okay, looked up the harness info in the TT rules which referred me to the NASA CCR. It looks like expired harnesses are okay. From a safety standpoint outside of the rules, I imagine this is okay (ie, I wouldn't hesitate to use my SA 2000 helmet just because it's a year expired).
11.4.8 Seatbelts and Harnesses
The seatbelts should be in good condition. No damage may be present on the seatbelts
and they must be the factory configuration. [b]Any harness or any restraint system, other
than factory stock, shall conform to CCR section #15.5, in all respects* except for the
expiration regulations.[b] Harnesses that are expired for racing may be used providing that
they are in at least very good condition. The use of a lap belt without any shoulder
restraint is not permitted. Passenger seatbelts must meet the same minimum
requirements per the CCR as the driver seatbelts if being used by a passenger. Notepassenger equipment need not match the installed equipment on the driver‟s side. See
Section 11.3 for more about four point harnesses.
15.5 Driver restraint system
(See diagram at end of section)
1. All vehicles must have a five (5), six (6), or seven (7) point seat belt system. Arm
restraints are required in open cars and cars with: Open T-tops, Open Targa
tops, missing moon/sun roofs, or glass moon/sun roofs.
2. A five (5) point system consists of: a three (3) inch lap belt, two shoulder belts
that are either two (2) inch (for use with HANS only) or three (3) inches wide, and
a two (2) inch anti-submarine strap.
3. A six (6) point system is recommended for cars where the driver is seated in an
upright (to thirty (30) degrees) or a semi-reclining position. It consists of two (2)
anti-submarine belts in addition to lap and shoulder belts. Note: Current FIA
Approved belt sets with two (2) inch lap belts are acceptable with the six (6) point
system.
4. A seven (7) point system is recommended for seats with more than thirty (30)
degrees of incline. Note: Current FIA Approved belt sets with two (2) inch lap
belts are acceptable with the seven (7) point system.
5. The material of all straps should be in new or perfect condition. The buckles
should be metal quick release. There should be a common release for all belts.
[Note: Certain Momo brand belts were recalled by the manufacturer. These are
NOT suitable for racing.]
6. The shoulder harness shall be mounted behind the driver and above a line drawn
downward from the shoulder point at an angle of no more than twenty (20)
degrees with the horizontal.
7. The seat, seat holes, and attachments to the seat are not permissible “harness
guides” for compliance with the angle requirement. Only specific harness guide
bars, or parts of the chassis or the cage are allowed to be used for this purpose.
The guide bar, if used, should not present a sharp edge to the belt. It should
provide as much area of support as possible to distribute the load.
8. Only separate shoulder straps are permitted. “H” type belts are allowed. “Y”
type belts are not allowed. Each shoulder strap must have an independent
mounting point.
9. All mounting hardware should be SAE grade five (5) or better. Large diameter
mounting washers should be used to spread the load. Bolting through floor
panels etc. is not acceptable without required washers.
10. All belts should meet at least one of the following:
A) SFI Specification 16.1 or 16.5 and shall bear a dated label of no more than
two (2) years old. At least one date label is required on belt sets.
B) A restraint system meeting FIA spec #8853/1985, 8853/98, or D-###.T/98,
including amendment 1/92 may be used. FIA certified belts have a label that
shows an expiration date. The belts cannot be used past December 31
st
of
the year shown on the label. At least one date label is required on belt sets.
11. All drivers should take care to ensure that their belts are properly worn, adjusted,
and latched. “Cam-lock” type belts can be subject to inadvertent release,
should the driver fail to ensure that they are properly latched.
12. Any driver involved in a high impact crash shall send all of their safety belts back
to the manufacturer for inspection, re-webbing if necessary, and re-certification
before they may be used again in competition. Proof of re-certification is the
driver‟s responsibility.57
13. All belts should be threaded to the manufacturer‟s instructions. An example of
one type of threading instruction set appears at end of this section.
The seatbelts should be in good condition. No damage may be present on the seatbelts
and they must be the factory configuration. [b]Any harness or any restraint system, other
than factory stock, shall conform to CCR section #15.5, in all respects* except for the
expiration regulations.[b] Harnesses that are expired for racing may be used providing that
they are in at least very good condition. The use of a lap belt without any shoulder
restraint is not permitted. Passenger seatbelts must meet the same minimum
requirements per the CCR as the driver seatbelts if being used by a passenger. Notepassenger equipment need not match the installed equipment on the driver‟s side. See
Section 11.3 for more about four point harnesses.
15.5 Driver restraint system
(See diagram at end of section)
1. All vehicles must have a five (5), six (6), or seven (7) point seat belt system. Arm
restraints are required in open cars and cars with: Open T-tops, Open Targa
tops, missing moon/sun roofs, or glass moon/sun roofs.
2. A five (5) point system consists of: a three (3) inch lap belt, two shoulder belts
that are either two (2) inch (for use with HANS only) or three (3) inches wide, and
a two (2) inch anti-submarine strap.
3. A six (6) point system is recommended for cars where the driver is seated in an
upright (to thirty (30) degrees) or a semi-reclining position. It consists of two (2)
anti-submarine belts in addition to lap and shoulder belts. Note: Current FIA
Approved belt sets with two (2) inch lap belts are acceptable with the six (6) point
system.
4. A seven (7) point system is recommended for seats with more than thirty (30)
degrees of incline. Note: Current FIA Approved belt sets with two (2) inch lap
belts are acceptable with the seven (7) point system.
5. The material of all straps should be in new or perfect condition. The buckles
should be metal quick release. There should be a common release for all belts.
[Note: Certain Momo brand belts were recalled by the manufacturer. These are
NOT suitable for racing.]
6. The shoulder harness shall be mounted behind the driver and above a line drawn
downward from the shoulder point at an angle of no more than twenty (20)
degrees with the horizontal.
7. The seat, seat holes, and attachments to the seat are not permissible “harness
guides” for compliance with the angle requirement. Only specific harness guide
bars, or parts of the chassis or the cage are allowed to be used for this purpose.
The guide bar, if used, should not present a sharp edge to the belt. It should
provide as much area of support as possible to distribute the load.
8. Only separate shoulder straps are permitted. “H” type belts are allowed. “Y”
type belts are not allowed. Each shoulder strap must have an independent
mounting point.
9. All mounting hardware should be SAE grade five (5) or better. Large diameter
mounting washers should be used to spread the load. Bolting through floor
panels etc. is not acceptable without required washers.
10. All belts should meet at least one of the following:
A) SFI Specification 16.1 or 16.5 and shall bear a dated label of no more than
two (2) years old. At least one date label is required on belt sets.
B) A restraint system meeting FIA spec #8853/1985, 8853/98, or D-###.T/98,
including amendment 1/92 may be used. FIA certified belts have a label that
shows an expiration date. The belts cannot be used past December 31
st
of
the year shown on the label. At least one date label is required on belt sets.
11. All drivers should take care to ensure that their belts are properly worn, adjusted,
and latched. “Cam-lock” type belts can be subject to inadvertent release,
should the driver fail to ensure that they are properly latched.
12. Any driver involved in a high impact crash shall send all of their safety belts back
to the manufacturer for inspection, re-webbing if necessary, and re-certification
before they may be used again in competition. Proof of re-certification is the
driver‟s responsibility.57
13. All belts should be threaded to the manufacturer‟s instructions. An example of
one type of threading instruction set appears at end of this section.
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Hey Ive got a couple of Sparco 6 point harnesses for sale, both have camloks, one expires in 2012 the other in 2013.
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