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mikegarrison

That's what I was thinking too.

mikegarrison

STB is even cheaper and easier.

INTJ

Maxrev,

Thanks for the info! I have no doubt whatsoever that certain engines need the baffling. I have read about several dozens of failures on specific *non*-F20-22 engines, including the 944 I mentioned earlier.

The only negative with baffling I'm familiar wth was in certain Mazdas and Audi with plastic pickup baffles that degraded over time. (Dumb design.)

But from my personal experience, I try to design solutions that fit failure modes that actually occur. I can intellectually accept the possiblity of a hundred different things failing in racing, but in reality only a couple things fail consistently.

Since I don't have infinite funds, I would rather spend my money on things that make a difference. Things like shocks, tires and an alignment. Given what I have seen for failures for this car, the rear wheel bearings, tranny and the rearend, I would be much more concerned keeping these components working than throwing money at parts that don't fail in practice.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

alejo

Oh I'm buying one of those one day - I'm serious too

mikegarrison

No, that's a misunderstanding. The market demand was high enough to get TC Designs to manufacture them. That's a separate thing from saying the benefits were high enough.

And actually, the unexpected problem that developed was exactly the reason I didn't have one in the first place. Some of you guys are arguing that a baffled oil pan is very simple -- true. But it's still not as simple as the OEM pan that's on the car right now. So in my book, that means it needs to buy its way onto my car.

That means I need to understand how it will help me and have some data to back that up. And like I said before, I just haven't seen anything that convinced me yet.

Currently we have at least one engine 100% known to have been destroyed because of a baffled pan, and zero engines 100% known to have been saved by them. And yet, putting a baffled pan on is supposed to give "piece of mind"?

mikegarrison

E36 BWMs also had a known problem that was helped by installing baffled pans.

INTJ

Must have had a CAD/CAM miller. A classic case of a design looking for a purpose. Looks like a windage tray (shelf?) posing as a baffle. I would be curious where the rod ends clear that thing. And, as a design, a screen is used for that position because its not structural...

mikegarrison

PS. I don't run on Rovals and would be scared to do so with the OEM oil system. I'm not saying I'm 100% comfortable with it, just that I don't want to mess with something that has worked for me so far until I know for sure that the replacement system would really be an improvement.

alejo

The saved engines don't manifest themselves because there is nothing wrong with them.

It's like insurance, most folks are unlikely to use it or benefit from it, but they do get peace of mind from it.