C3,

The points system is not for handicapping. It's there to keep cars as competitive as possible within a class. So, yes it's best to max the car out to 77 pts., but also to select "the best mods for the buck" as you do that. Calc is right that the system makes it tough to stay SCCA, but our goal from the beginning was to make SCCA prepped cars competitive in the class, which I think we've done by allowing any shock, etc. In fact, the points cap is sort of there to protect SCCA prepped cars so they don't have to worry about being competitive by making sure others don't mod their cars into oblivion. If anyone thinks the point system is too forgiving and should be stricter, let me know. For the moment it seems OK. If there's anything we're forgetting that we can do to better accomodate SCCA prepped cars, please let me know.

Beware, the points system will probably change a little event to event as it gets refined, but not in such a way that any mods done will have to be removed I hope.

Just so everyone knows, things are heating up at Wurth Motorsports with lots of signups rolling in and not enough S2000s for my blood. Where is everyone? Rally your friends please. The most competitive Challenge Series we have going is for corvettes! They're rolling in from the hills like rats!

dt

 

Thanks dt for clearing that up. Thanks also for putting this on. It's already increased my enjoyment of the car even more than before.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by desert tortoise
[B]Just so everyone knows, things are heating up at Wurth Motorsports with lots of signups rolling in and not enough S2000s for my blood.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by desert tortoise
[B]
Any modification to stock rotor
Brake ducting allowed
Brake dust shields can be removed
Brakelines
Any wheels

 

Calc,

I need someone to wrangle with on the web here, so don't worry about being a PIA.

The A-stock mods provide significant advantages. I just added them up and coincidentally (I should have checked this earlier) they add up to 74 pts. Ultralight wheels can be used (same size as stock and lighter than 17inch wheels) for 22 pts., shocks are worth 20, exhaust is 17, and the front sway is 15, for a total of 74pts. It just so happens those are probably the best mods to do anyway. I think the A-stock set up is better than any other combination of 74 pts. someone might come up with! Therefore, I think it makes sense. Let me know if I'm wrong about the wheels, but I thought A-stock allowed any wheel if it's the same size as stock?

Secondly, I think you're having a hard time accepting what most people believe to be true regarding track tires: they're WAY faster. For example, on the Streets of Willow I can run a 1:20.5 on street tires with a fully stock S2000. With Hoosiers on a fully stock S2000 I can run a 1:17.5. If you take the car and then put 74 pts. worth of mods on it and keep the stock tires, you're way slower than 1:17.5. My guess is those track tires would have to be worth about 120 pts. That means you could only run against a very modified car and you couldn't have any mods at all. As I've said before, give me a stock S2000 with track tires and one with supercharger; I'll take the one with the track tires. Earlier you were arguing against running against supercharged cars and this is basically the same issue. Someone else doesn't want to run against cars with track tires because they're way to advantageous.

I hope someone can prove this to you out at the track in January!

Regards,
dt

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jzr
[B]I'd really like to participate in this series, but I probably won't be able to make this first event.

 

dt, I believe the only acceptable alternative wheels in A-stock are the 16-in. JDMs. And, since I don't expect to be competitive anyway, I'm not going to go through the hassle of switching my stock tires onto the JDMs just for your series.

The suggestion about adding R tires as a mod was meant to be facetious; it's clear that you're adamant about your position regarding them.

cal

 

Calc,

Ooops. I didn't know you were joking. Sorry. Anyway, as you can tell I'm very interested in making S2000 Challenge Series as competitive, fair, and fun as possible. I'm willing to do more to make the SCCA competitors happy than anyone else since they participate in a large-scale, nationwide competition and I want them to show up! I guess we'll have to wait and see how things turn out after race #1,2 (Sat, Sun).

I'm surprised they only allow one brand of aftermarket wheel in the B-stock class. Do you know what the JDMs weigh?

dt

p.s. I saw the Fast the Furious last night. Anyone know if (d.j. Rivera?) is on the board? He should at least come out and show that car off if not actaully tracking it!

 

The JDMs are about 3 lbs. lighter per wheel. And it's not that they aren't allowing any other brands, those are just the only wheels that currently "fit the bill". In order to be used in stock-class competition, the wheels must be of the same width and diameter, with offset within 1/4" of the originals. No other manufacturer has yet made a rim with such wacky offsets.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by desert tortoise
[B]Calc,

Ooops.

 

R-compound tires are going to cost a fortune to run at the track. An autox course is ~1 mile and you get 3 runs. If you get an entire season on one set of Khumos, say 15 events, that's ~50 miles. Your Khumos will be shot on the track before noon. Just thinking...