Is s2000 missing steering feedback?
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From: West Henrietta UPSTATE NY
It is true, you can't feel anything if you are holding onto the wheel so firmly you are using it to stay in the seat, but still, the electronic powersteering is the core of the issue, that is in my mind what robs the car of its feel. And as I said before, this is the one thing I don't like about the car on the track.
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From: West Henrietta UPSTATE NY
Originally Posted by robinson,Nov 10 2004, 10:08 PM
the new civic si and RSX have it also.
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From: Bellingham
The steering rack bushings are extremely soft on the S2000.
Have someone turn the car on and turn the steering wheel back and forth while you stand in front of the car with the hood open and watch the steering rack. It moves a lot. This is exaggerated with grippier tires.
This compliance kills road feel.
The 2004/05 has slightly stiffer rack bushings. Mugen also sells stiffer rack bushings. I think J's Racing sells solid aluminum rack bushings.
Have someone turn the car on and turn the steering wheel back and forth while you stand in front of the car with the hood open and watch the steering rack. It moves a lot. This is exaggerated with grippier tires.
This compliance kills road feel.
The 2004/05 has slightly stiffer rack bushings. Mugen also sells stiffer rack bushings. I think J's Racing sells solid aluminum rack bushings.
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From: Bay Area
Steering feel is really important to me, and I agree with the posts. The S2k steering is very precise. There isn't much slop and the way the whole car is engineered it turns in really quickly and feels very responsive.
But it does lack feedback and communication to the driver. There isn't much kickback over bumps. Some may view this as a good thing, as the S does track very straight over uneven surfaces. But whenever I grab my mom's E30 3 series I'm amazed by the little messages it sends me every time I go over the bots dots.
But I have determined is the biggest difference between the S2k and other cars. If you have ever driven a manual steering car, you'll notice it's very light when you are just cruising and there is no load on the front tires. But start to push the car, and the steering will weight up a lot in corners and on the brakes. It's like a load sensor, telling the driver how much of the available grip is being used. If the tires break loose, the steering will suddenly go light.
On any car with P/S, the difference in effort due to load is smaller, but usually still there. On the S2000, the effort of the steering is almost identical no matter what you are doing- driving thru a parking lot or driving at the limit. I have noticed this in back to back drives with several other cars.
So I think it boils down to 2 issues. The S2000 steering is quick, precise, and direct in the way it converts driver inputs to steering response. But it is not chock full of feedback.
Peter
But it does lack feedback and communication to the driver. There isn't much kickback over bumps. Some may view this as a good thing, as the S does track very straight over uneven surfaces. But whenever I grab my mom's E30 3 series I'm amazed by the little messages it sends me every time I go over the bots dots.
But I have determined is the biggest difference between the S2k and other cars. If you have ever driven a manual steering car, you'll notice it's very light when you are just cruising and there is no load on the front tires. But start to push the car, and the steering will weight up a lot in corners and on the brakes. It's like a load sensor, telling the driver how much of the available grip is being used. If the tires break loose, the steering will suddenly go light.
On any car with P/S, the difference in effort due to load is smaller, but usually still there. On the S2000, the effort of the steering is almost identical no matter what you are doing- driving thru a parking lot or driving at the limit. I have noticed this in back to back drives with several other cars.
So I think it boils down to 2 issues. The S2000 steering is quick, precise, and direct in the way it converts driver inputs to steering response. But it is not chock full of feedback.
Peter
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From: Charlottesville
Is there a fuse or wiring harness that could be disconnected that would kill power to the EPS and not affect anything else on the car? It would be interesting to see if driving with no power steering improved feel.
