Hey I was wondering, after reading an ariticle, about how the S would perform on a skidpad with KW V3's and a proper set of street tires?

The article stated the C-west S2000 had a 1.15g. A formula1 mazda held a 1.31g. A yaris with aftermarket suspension held a 1.05! Without the coilovers and tires it held a .76.... So what are the thoughts of what the S's potential is with a good set of coilovers and Tires?

 

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I imagine the Cwest S2000 weighs considerably less than a stock one with just KW's and street tires since it is actualy a fully prepared race car. It also uses a custom built coil over as well as possibly customized suspension componenets that effect its geometry like diferent A-arms for instance.

I think if we isolate the test to just skidpad grip you will notice a trend favoring lighter vehicles with relatively hard suspension setups. We also don't know what tires are run on each vehicle wich would have a big impact on this particular test. When you say street tires, do you mean stock sizes? R-compound or Y rated, etc. So, I don't have a definitive answer for you as to what a stock S with KW's and street tires would do.

 

Should be easy to see 1.15g's

On skinny 195's my STS Civic sustained 1.1 or so. With bigger tires I imagine it shouldn't be an problem to match the CWest car.

 

Maybe with direzzas? Stock sizes.
Also I understand lateral G's come into play with road holding, but what else affects how well a car handles?

 

If i wrote out the list Id be late for class

 

The driver mostly.

 

Most of the time one stat such as peak skid pad numbers don't mean much. A MS Protege can run a faster slalom than a F360 but that doesn't mean it handles better.

 

Depends on your definition of "handles better"

According to my definition - the MS does handle better than a F360 if it indeed does run a slalom faster. Especially if the slalom is spaced about 75' cone to cone and is at least 7 cones long

 

Skidpad numbers are a good starting point, but the way a car handles on a road course or twisty back roads is much more in depth than what it simply posts on a 300ft radius circle. For instance the 3800lb. MY05+ Acura RL with its Sh Awd system recorded a .92g in skidpad testing vs. a MY05 NSX's .93g...but which is faster in track driving or "spirited" driving?

I would imagine the skidpad indicates tire grip and roll stiffness but not much else like pitch, dive, squat, transitions, compliance, etc. My friend was tracking his AP1 last year and found after reviewing his DL1 that the switch from RE01R's(street tries) to R888's(R-compound) pushed him into the 1G+ lateral territory on a road course with little more than Konis and a Saner.

 

With a saner sway, Nitto NT01, aggressive alignment I am seeing 1.2+, FWIW.