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Old Sep 14, 2014 | 10:13 PM
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I did quite a bit of searching/reading to sort of confirm, that for a dedicated track car spoon hardtop is the best option out there from an areo stand point. If that statement is not valid and there are better options out there, or better yet solid numbers to prove that, and I somehow missed it, please post.

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Old Sep 15, 2014 | 09:13 AM
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yes, it is. However, from a points allocation basis, it is not. Most competitive organizations - NASA/SCCA and other TT/TA events tend to assign a lot more points to aftermarket hardtops, making them less useful when building your car to fit in a competitive class. If you even remotely think that your car might one day be a TTC, Honda Challenge Car, or competing in some sort of sanctioned body, I'd advise you to go OEM. Spoon top isn't worth the points assigned to it.
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Old Sep 15, 2014 | 09:16 AM
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I always found it weird that the Voltex/Top Fuel car didn't run a Spoon top. Or does it?
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Old Sep 15, 2014 | 10:05 AM
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Pretty sure they run a Mugen top that's like crazy light.
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Old Sep 23, 2014 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullwings
yes, it is. However, from a points allocation basis, it is not. Most competitive organizations - NASA/SCCA and other TT/TA events tend to assign a lot more points to aftermarket hardtops, making them less useful when building your car to fit in a competitive class. If you even remotely think that your car might one day be a TTC, Honda Challenge Car, or competing in some sort of sanctioned body, I'd advise you to go OEM. Spoon top isn't worth the points assigned to it.
Seeing how you explicitly cannot run a "fastback style top" e.g. the Spoon top, with NASA, it isn't worth any points, its simply not allowed. (TT Rule G:13)
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Old Sep 23, 2014 | 10:46 PM
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13) Add a non-OEM hardtop to a convertible that is not the identical shape and size of either the BTM or OEM option hardtop for that car model +5 (note: The top must not extend rearward of the front edge of the rear deck lid.)(“Fastback” tops and toneau covers are not permitted.)
I just read all of the rules and it seems like the only class that does not prohibit "fastback" top is ST/SU. That's kind of a bummer. If one can benefit so much from a "fastback" top, why not just assign more points for having one? Unless there is something else that I'm missing?
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Old Sep 23, 2014 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by arggg45
Originally Posted by Bullwings' timestamp='1410801223' post='23331614
yes, it is. However, from a points allocation basis, it is not. Most competitive organizations - NASA/SCCA and other TT/TA events tend to assign a lot more points to aftermarket hardtops, making them less useful when building your car to fit in a competitive class. If you even remotely think that your car might one day be a TTC, Honda Challenge Car, or competing in some sort of sanctioned body, I'd advise you to go OEM. Spoon top isn't worth the points assigned to it.
Seeing how you explicitly cannot run a "fastback style top" e.g. the Spoon top, with NASA, it isn't worth any points, its simply not allowed. (TT Rule G:13)
In that case it's definitely not worth the points assigned to it... as in points = illegal
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Old Sep 24, 2014 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by copmagnet82
13) Add a non-OEM hardtop to a convertible that is not the identical shape and size of either the BTM or OEM option hardtop for that car model +5 (note: The top must not extend rearward of the front edge of the rear deck lid.)(“Fastback” tops and toneau covers are not permitted.)
I just read all of the rules and it seems like the only class that does not prohibit "fastback" top is ST/SU. That's kind of a bummer. If one can benefit so much from a "fastback" top, why not just assign more points for having one? Unless there is something else that I'm missing?
There is about a 150 + page thread on the NASA forum on this subject (about 2 yrs ago). All your questions and most of the reasoning for the rule is there. Trying to change the thought process after that protracted painful discussion is like

Most of us just have accepted this:
1. use an OEM hardtop, or one you can PROVE is the same (burden of proof is on you)
2. take a major points hit for non OEM
3. Everything fastback or extended is strictly illegal
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Old Sep 24, 2014 | 02:00 PM
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Thanks for pointing me towards the NASA thread. It's 47 pages it's a good read ... I'm on page 20 now
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Old Sep 27, 2014 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueBarchetta
Most of us just have accepted this:
1. use an OEM hardtop, or one you can PROVE is the same (burden of proof is on you)
2. take a major points hit for non OEM
3. everything fastback or extended is strictly illegal
Not sure if anybody cares, ...or maybe someone will find this helpful..., but since I already have the fastback top, I've been reading NASA rules over and over again, and after double and triple checking on the fastback regulations here's what I found:

Time Trail:
-not legal in TTB-TTF, and TT3
-legal in TTU with no modification factor, and TT1/TT2 with modification factor (7.3.2.B.2)
2)Modification of the OEM roof line is permitted, but will be assessed via a Modification Factor in the “Adjusted Weight/Power Ratio”.
Road Racing:
-legal only in SU with no modification factor, and ST1/ST2 with modification factor


...again, correct me if I'm wrong or misread something in the rules.

...and thanks everyone for pushing me to do more research on the topic.
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