Square setup without rear wing
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From: Las Vegas
Originally Posted by Driven' timestamp='1371655614' post='22618000
I have a non-staggered, no aero car.
It's on eibach springs, oem shocks, front eibach bar, AP2.
I tend to swap cars out with people at autocrosses and track days. Everyone says the car is very neutral, although it takes a bit to trust how much grip there is. It doesn't step out too unpredictably. A lot of that is in the alignment. I started with the Euro alignment, did max caster and a wee bit more camber. The alignment and non-staggered really changed the way the car handles.
I'm finally looking into doing aero, so may have to relearn the car.
It's on eibach springs, oem shocks, front eibach bar, AP2.
I tend to swap cars out with people at autocrosses and track days. Everyone says the car is very neutral, although it takes a bit to trust how much grip there is. It doesn't step out too unpredictably. A lot of that is in the alignment. I started with the Euro alignment, did max caster and a wee bit more camber. The alignment and non-staggered really changed the way the car handles.
I'm finally looking into doing aero, so may have to relearn the car.
No relearning. Putting the aero on is like learning how to ride a tricycle after you've learned on a standard 2 wheel bike. It just gets easier.
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From: FV CA
Originally Posted by Sebring AP1' timestamp='1371656174' post='22618029
[quote name='Driven' timestamp='1371655614' post='22618000']
I have a non-staggered, no aero car.
It's on eibach springs, oem shocks, front eibach bar, AP2.
I tend to swap cars out with people at autocrosses and track days. Everyone says the car is very neutral, although it takes a bit to trust how much grip there is. It doesn't step out too unpredictably. A lot of that is in the alignment. I started with the Euro alignment, did max caster and a wee bit more camber. The alignment and non-staggered really changed the way the car handles.
I'm finally looking into doing aero, so may have to relearn the car.
I have a non-staggered, no aero car.
It's on eibach springs, oem shocks, front eibach bar, AP2.
I tend to swap cars out with people at autocrosses and track days. Everyone says the car is very neutral, although it takes a bit to trust how much grip there is. It doesn't step out too unpredictably. A lot of that is in the alignment. I started with the Euro alignment, did max caster and a wee bit more camber. The alignment and non-staggered really changed the way the car handles.
I'm finally looking into doing aero, so may have to relearn the car.
No relearning. Putting the aero on is like learning how to ride a tricycle after you've learned on a standard 2 wheel bike. It just gets easier.
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I wouldn't know since I don't run them, but personally I would think so. This is where trusty Mr. Pyrometer helps tons
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I think you should go with a bigger, adjustable front swaybar. It really helps to have something adjustable, other than alignment, to help you balance things out and it also sounds like you're pretty happy with your current shocks and springs.
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I know...the CR wing is not a "real wing" lol
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From: Chicago Burbs
Originally Posted by //steve\\' timestamp='1371667973' post='22618609
I think a lot of the guys running a rear wing back off the rear camber a tad from what I've seen.
I know...the CR wing is not a "real wing" lol
That being said, I'm running -3 rear camber with a Voltex Type 1 and the car handles very neutrally with -3.4 camber up front and no front aero.
edit - generally I leave camber alone if the pyrometer says its ok, but I tend to pull some rear toe out of the car.
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From: Orange County, CA
Originally Posted by Sebring AP1' timestamp='1371656174' post='22618029
[quote name='Driven' timestamp='1371655614' post='22618000']
I have a non-staggered, no aero car.
It's on eibach springs, oem shocks, front eibach bar, AP2.
I tend to swap cars out with people at autocrosses and track days. Everyone says the car is very neutral, although it takes a bit to trust how much grip there is. It doesn't step out too unpredictably. A lot of that is in the alignment. I started with the Euro alignment, did max caster and a wee bit more camber. The alignment and non-staggered really changed the way the car handles.
I'm finally looking into doing aero, so may have to relearn the car.
I have a non-staggered, no aero car.
It's on eibach springs, oem shocks, front eibach bar, AP2.
I tend to swap cars out with people at autocrosses and track days. Everyone says the car is very neutral, although it takes a bit to trust how much grip there is. It doesn't step out too unpredictably. A lot of that is in the alignment. I started with the Euro alignment, did max caster and a wee bit more camber. The alignment and non-staggered really changed the way the car handles.
I'm finally looking into doing aero, so may have to relearn the car.
No relearning. Putting the aero on is like learning how to ride a tricycle after you've learned on a standard 2 wheel bike. It just gets easier.
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Require? No. Benefit? Yes. You won't see as much roll with a wing
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From: ATL
^yeah, The RS3 likes more camber than most tires and you're running a 255 on a 8.5 which isn't helping either. I'd bet on a 9.5" wheel you wouldn't quite see the same wear. I know when I had RS3s on my last one I was pretty close to OK out back with -3.2 but the fronts at -2.8 were getting noticeable outside wear. That was on 17x9 rpf1s.
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From: Easton, PA
If you are not running in a class that limits wheel size, why run square setup? Aside from the practical benefits (tire rotation, fitment, etc), what is the performance gain? It seems like you need to screw around with the anti-sway bars just to get you back where you started stock.
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From: Chicago Burbs
If you are not running in a class that limits wheel size, why run square setup? Aside from the practical benefits (tire rotation, fitment, etc), what is the performance gain? It seems like you need to screw around with the anti-sway bars just to get you back where you started stock.