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Originally Posted by simons2k,Mar 30 2006, 04:38 AM
Are you running the Race Spec BCs? I was told they would match up to a Tein RA set. BC does have a standard/entry level coilover set mainly for street use.
I would say that the Tein RA's are about equal, maybe a little better. The Tein's can not change suspension height without changing spring preload. But their top hat design is MUCH better. Their is a reason why you hear people referring to Buddy Clubs as Buddy Clunks.
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Originally Posted by RWD_RCKT,Mar 30 2006, 01:18 PM
I am running the Buddy Club RS ($~1100). They say Racing Spec on the side of them but they are far from it. Buddy Club has one version below it which is $850 or so, then they have one above it which is $3000 or so. Since the $850 version is pretty new, 99% of everyone that has BC's for their S are running the RS.
I would say that the Tein RA's are about equal, maybe a little better. The Tein's can not change suspension height without changing spring preload. But their top hat design is MUCH better. Their is a reason why you hear people referring to Buddy Clubs as Buddy Clunks.
I would say that the Tein RA's are about equal, maybe a little better. The Tein's can not change suspension height without changing spring preload. But their top hat design is MUCH better. Their is a reason why you hear people referring to Buddy Clubs as Buddy Clunks.
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To clarify the relationship between coilovers and swaybars:
Coilovers (specifically, the springs) provide spring action in both ride and roll. "Ride" refers to longitudinal motions, which affect each side equally, such as speed bumps and braking/acceleration. "Roll" refers to lateral motions, usually turning or rolling over an apex kerb with one wheel.
Automakers use swaybars to control a vehicle's roll without sacrificing ride; i.e. the car can be very stiff in turns but still feel fairly compliant on rough road. A drawback is that the swaybar effectively reduces the "independence" of the independent suspension -- forces acting on one side of the axle are transmitted to the other. This can cause undesired wheel-lift, especially on the driven axle.
Another concern is that the dampers must be tuned to deal with the total spring rate of swaybar plus coil-springs, which means the suspension can end up being over-damped in "ride". This might allow the car to "pack down" over a series of bumps, for example.
For the S2000, many have found that the rear swaybar is a liability due to inside wheel lift, so it is removed entirely and its contribution to roll stiffness is made up with higher-rate springs. At the front, there is little concern with wheel lift, so a larger bar may be used to help control roll; the largest bars available contribute more total roll resistance than the stock springs. However, with this setup, careful attention to front damping is needed, and even then the car will not be ideal on rough pavement.
Coilovers (specifically, the springs) provide spring action in both ride and roll. "Ride" refers to longitudinal motions, which affect each side equally, such as speed bumps and braking/acceleration. "Roll" refers to lateral motions, usually turning or rolling over an apex kerb with one wheel.
Automakers use swaybars to control a vehicle's roll without sacrificing ride; i.e. the car can be very stiff in turns but still feel fairly compliant on rough road. A drawback is that the swaybar effectively reduces the "independence" of the independent suspension -- forces acting on one side of the axle are transmitted to the other. This can cause undesired wheel-lift, especially on the driven axle.
Another concern is that the dampers must be tuned to deal with the total spring rate of swaybar plus coil-springs, which means the suspension can end up being over-damped in "ride". This might allow the car to "pack down" over a series of bumps, for example.
For the S2000, many have found that the rear swaybar is a liability due to inside wheel lift, so it is removed entirely and its contribution to roll stiffness is made up with higher-rate springs. At the front, there is little concern with wheel lift, so a larger bar may be used to help control roll; the largest bars available contribute more total roll resistance than the stock springs. However, with this setup, careful attention to front damping is needed, and even then the car will not be ideal on rough pavement.
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IMO, I prefer the larger front bar and I don't like the rear bar delete. With the rear bar removed turn in is sloppy at best and steering response is less connected.
I tried it several ways with different springs and bar choices. This suits my driving style and power.
I tried it several ways with different springs and bar choices. This suits my driving style and power.
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