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Originally Posted by 911GT2,Oct 27 2008, 08:35 PM
Keep us posted please 
The wing will add stability, sometimes at the cost of drag in low hp cars, however the ability to stay on throttle more easily compensates. Having both a wing and great shocks is always optimal...especially with the power when you need it.
Let's see what Krazik can do at Sears with a flat bum
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Originally Posted by FormulaRedline,Oct 26 2008, 09:13 AM
This is unclear. Honda has made claims about their CR package reducing overall lift on the car, but it is unclear where these claims come from or how effective the package is at actually creating downforce.
[QUOTE=Car and Driver]Like the Dodge Viper ACR, the Honda CR is a suspension and aero package conceived to make the car quicker without adding horsepower, albeit at a much more modest level. A few runs up VIR
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Are you trying to suggest that somehow Car and Driver's butt dyno can be substituted as quantitative proof of a certain performance? Or merely providing anecdotal evidence, of which there is already plenty?
Nobody has ever published any numbers on the effectiveness of the CR aero, so anything we, or anyone else, say at this point is only a guess.
Nobody has ever published any numbers on the effectiveness of the CR aero, so anything we, or anyone else, say at this point is only a guess.
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Originally Posted by FormulaRedline,Oct 29 2008, 09:22 AM
Are you trying to suggest that somehow Car and Driver's butt dyno can be substituted as quantitative proof of a certain performance? Or merely providing anecdotal evidence, of which there is already plenty?
Nobody has ever published any numbers on the effectiveness of the CR aero, so anything we, or anyone else, say at this point is only a guess.
Nobody has ever published any numbers on the effectiveness of the CR aero, so anything we, or anyone else, say at this point is only a guess.
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Originally Posted by Mor.gan,Oct 29 2008, 09:08 PM
Odd... Butt Dyno as in the Wing and Front Lip added power? Odd I dont see that in my statement nor do I see that in the statement from Car and Driver.
What I did say, and so did they, is that that the added AERO of the S2000 Club Racer gave them the CONFIDENCE to go FLAT OUT in some of the turns. Maybe the down force created by the Wing and Front Lip planted the car better allowing them to go faster?
Hearsay is one thing TRACK times is another. You speak as if someone points to the wing and says, "Hey I bet that wing makes the car go faster." I am just saying, like this article and the video posted on YouTube that compares the 2008 S2000 and the 2008 S2000 Type S, is stating that "the Honda CR is a suspension and aero package conceived to make the car quicker without adding horsepower".
I mean there is no need to be such a dutch bag based on a simple statement especially when there is proof that the car does perform better than the stock s2000 which the OP clearly has.
What I did say, and so did they, is that that the added AERO of the S2000 Club Racer gave them the CONFIDENCE to go FLAT OUT in some of the turns. Maybe the down force created by the Wing and Front Lip planted the car better allowing them to go faster?
Hearsay is one thing TRACK times is another. You speak as if someone points to the wing and says, "Hey I bet that wing makes the car go faster." I am just saying, like this article and the video posted on YouTube that compares the 2008 S2000 and the 2008 S2000 Type S, is stating that "the Honda CR is a suspension and aero package conceived to make the car quicker without adding horsepower".
I mean there is no need to be such a dutch bag based on a simple statement especially when there is proof that the car does perform better than the stock s2000 which the OP clearly has.
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What does Honda need to really test a production car in a wind tunnel for?
I wish that they really cared.
Don't you think they would have data to support the benefits of the CR add ons? How fast is the typical consumer going to be driving the CR to take advantage of any said gain that there may potentially be?
The CR was a marketing ploy at best. It's ugly and over-priced IMO. They could have taken some aesthetic responsibility. Most people know where to spend their money more wisely in the aftermarket when searching for performance. Especially at the premium that the CR goes for. Those pieces might cost Honda less than $200 more per car to produce. I'll take an 02-03 AP1 or an 04-05 AP2 any day, and spend the difference on quality aftermarket components that execute improved performance with more certitude. Sure there is an exclusivity to the CR, but we are talking about aerodynamic performance.
I don't claim to be an aero expert by any means, but I would rather take several attempts at experimentation that are backed up by a data-logger and lap-times over some hideous piece of plastic that has no substantiation. Sorry, but the CR could have been executed with SO much deftness and grace, especially after 8 years of feedback from the consumers that post daily on this forum.
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I wish that they really cared.
Don't you think they would have data to support the benefits of the CR add ons? How fast is the typical consumer going to be driving the CR to take advantage of any said gain that there may potentially be?
The CR was a marketing ploy at best. It's ugly and over-priced IMO. They could have taken some aesthetic responsibility. Most people know where to spend their money more wisely in the aftermarket when searching for performance. Especially at the premium that the CR goes for. Those pieces might cost Honda less than $200 more per car to produce. I'll take an 02-03 AP1 or an 04-05 AP2 any day, and spend the difference on quality aftermarket components that execute improved performance with more certitude. Sure there is an exclusivity to the CR, but we are talking about aerodynamic performance.
I don't claim to be an aero expert by any means, but I would rather take several attempts at experimentation that are backed up by a data-logger and lap-times over some hideous piece of plastic that has no substantiation. Sorry, but the CR could have been executed with SO much deftness and grace, especially after 8 years of feedback from the consumers that post daily on this forum.
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Originally Posted by Billj747,Oct 29 2008, 08:31 PM
Contradicting? 
How can you consistantly run a certain time with lap traffic, what if you go testing this friday and their is no traffic, or faster or slower drivers... Please elaborate
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How can you consistantly run a certain time with lap traffic, what if you go testing this friday and their is no traffic, or faster or slower drivers... Please elaborate
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1st of all it's "consistently"
I know you consider yourself to be a grammarian and spelling-bee to boot 
We have repeatable results at SP in the low 46s. This is with Krazik using his skills to get clean qualifying laps. In a race, you are right, there are variables, but they don't seem to effect us as the cars in our class seem to be running as consistently. Ultimately, we are not being held up as we are at LS. With the exception of a blue Viper Comp Coupe...
But all this is going to be irrelevant as the forecast for Friday calls for rain.
We'll bring both sets of tires, just-in-case, but a dry day would be optimal for testing this sort of hardware. Do you agree?
The Password under-trays from Steve will be put to the test. We need to collect data that eliminates such extraneous variables such as gross fluctuations in weather.
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