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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Abdizzle,Jul 7 2009, 03:33 AM
Most manufactures BOV's which vent to atmosphere (HKS) cause Evo's to run like crap. Stock they use a recirculating BOV + the stock IX BOV has no boost leak issues so there really is no need to change it unless you go big turbo.

As for intakes, most cause problems with the MAF + the stock airbox with a drop in is good for around 350WHP.

The quoted posters point was that anyone familiar with Evo's knows not to mess with either of those things unless your making big power. 360WHP is not big power on a IX.

EDIT: Also I don't understand why every Evo on here get's stomped. All they need to spend is around $3-600 in used parts and they are around 330-350WHP tuned.
The reason you don't see is

1. its an s2k site

2. The s2k's are racing from a roll which isn't the strong point for most evo's.

The evo would have crushed him from a stop more than likely. And if he wasn't running a SOS kit he'd have wiped the floor with him.

The Evo's (and sti's, though I don't know about the new ones) don't hold up well on rolling races. Once you get to 100mph they get slow. (slow is relative of course) I think it's because their turbo's are for producing power lower in the rpm band and run out in the upper rpms. Also awd doesn't really help at high speeds.

I had an Evo IX MR running 345wtq, it was a beast from a stop but felt weak at 100mph in case your wondering why I believe that. I sold the car just for the reason that I'd already planned out another $5k in mods I wanted, and decided to cure the disease! So much was possible with that car, and it was relatively cheap. For $5k I'd have had a MONSTER with the mods I'd already done.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 05:39 PM
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OP - Do you have the stage 1 kit?

Im placing my order for the stage 2 on Friday .....CANT WAIT.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 05:54 PM
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i do have the stage 1 but its on an 06 so I am boostin around 8.5psi.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by stitos2k,Jul 8 2009, 09:10 AM
The reason you don't see is

1. its an s2k site

2. The s2k's are racing from a roll which isn't the strong point for most evo's.

The evo would have crushed him from a stop more than likely. And if he wasn't running a SOS kit he'd have wiped the floor with him.

The Evo's (and sti's, though I don't know about the new ones) don't hold up well on rolling races. Once you get to 100mph they get slow. (slow is relative of course) I think it's because their turbo's are for producing power lower in the rpm band and run out in the upper rpms. Also awd doesn't really help at high speeds.

I had an Evo IX MR running 345wtq, it was a beast from a stop but felt weak at 100mph in case your wondering why I believe that. I sold the car just for the reason that I'd already planned out another $5k in mods I wanted, and decided to cure the disease! So much was possible with that car, and it was relatively cheap. For $5k I'd have had a MONSTER with the mods I'd already done.
Well I think the entire after 100 MPH AWD = slow is a huge myth. The reason most Evo owners get owned around that speed is because they go into 5th which is an overdrive gear that drops them way down in their power band. Not sure if the MR's 6 speed alleviates that. Also with the stock map boost tapers like crazy up top which explains some of the stories on this forum, with a simple MBC or Tune I don't see how any S2000 has a chance.

As for STi's, I've never heard or seen of them being slow after 100 unless you consider aerodynamics.

Problem is even with the HUGE aftermarket and tons and tons of information in regards to properly and efficiently making power out of both cars, a lot of owners are complete morons.

I have no idea how someone can have a "slow" Evo/STi.
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 11:57 AM
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When i searched up a bit on STIs witch also have recercilation valves and not atmos. BOV, a simple tune would take away the loss of power/MAF fck up that can occur. Some people even reported a little bit of power with an atmos BOV.

This is of course if they clamped or welded shut the RCV.

wouldnt it be the same with an evo?
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Knight,Jul 8 2009, 12:01 PM
Well, your point about anyone w/ an Evo running a BOV not recirculating = having no idea what they are doing doesn't stand up all the time is my point (hence my bro's 11 second EVO)
I think what he was attempting to convey is that the stock Evo boost by-pass valve works better than any atmospheric blow off valve. There is no hp gained by removing the bypass and installing the BOV. It f##ks up the mixture everytime the driver lets off the throttle from an on-boost condition making the car go waaaaay too rich, it also slows the spool up time when going from off throttle back to on throttle. No gain to be had from that.

Still once on boost at WOT neither the bypass nor the BOV affect the max hp or accelleration until you let off to shift. So they will still dyno the same and run fine until you let off. After the shift the BOV may cause it to spool longer for a micro-second but that is a small deal. They will still run ok but the driveabily sucks. The point is, why spend money on a mod that does absolutly nothing cept make a loud farting sound when you shift gears???... unless you are a juvenile poseur.

Good kill by the way. Those EVO's can be fearfully fast and are silly easy to tune.

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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 08:53 PM
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I just wanted to share my 2c here. An properly driven EVO with 330 AWHP should be able to run low 12's at 110-112 MPH, with 380 AWHP the EVO should run high 11's at 116-117 MPH, which in my case what I had run once....

With a bigger turbo on an EVO, the whole ball game changes.....provided that it is properly tuned, I think an EVO will pull like a raped ape thru every gear
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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 05:48 AM
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He wasn't putting down 360 to the wheels. If you ever hear an Evo with a BOV it's safe to say the owner had no idea what they were doing.
You obviously know not too much about evos...
My evo with a fp green turbo puts down 380 at the wheels. I have a stock bov and and a turbo back fujitsubo exhaust. It is quieter than stock and you can hear both my stock bov and turbo spool.
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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 07:27 AM
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What the hell are you talking about???

Did you opt not to read a single post in this thread?
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Old Jul 24, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Abdizzle,Jul 7 2009, 02:33 AM
Most manufactures BOV's which vent to atmosphere (HKS) cause Evo's to run like crap. Stock they use a recirculating BOV + the stock IX BOV has no boost leak issues so there really is no need to change it unless you go big turbo.

As for intakes, most cause problems with the MAF + the stock airbox with a drop in is good for around 350WHP.

The quoted posters point was that anyone familiar with Evo's knows not to mess with either of those things unless your making big power. 360WHP is not big power on a IX.

EDIT: Also I don't understand why every Evo on here get's stomped. All they need to spend is around $3-600 in used parts and they are around 330-350WHP tuned.
True about the VTA bov's. There are reasons to change the bov even on stock turbo. If you run more than 26psi, which there are plenty who do, it would be better to upgrade. As for intakes, there are ways to retune the Ecu around the MAF issues. You may not 'need' to replace either of those until reaching big power, but there is no doubt that you'll still gain even if you do not have big power. When I got rid of the stock airbox and replaced it with a cone air filter, not only did I unlock a loud bov noise, I also gained 11hp...still on stock Evo9 bov.



Here's a video of my Evo9 bov hissing loudly:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNcRqDC-m_A [/media]
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