AP1 vs. Z4
Originally Posted by D1sclaimer,May 28 2008, 12:56 PM
Lets also look at the typical driver of a z4 compared to the s2k. Almost every z4 driver(**that I have seen) is a white collar middle aged mid-life crisis kinda guy. We s2k owners tend to be a tad different and can drive our cars properly.
Is the traction control in an M Z4 defeatable? He probably wouldn't have turned it off anyway if he could have anyways.
Is the traction control in an M Z4 defeatable? He probably wouldn't have turned it off anyway if he could have anyways.
Enjoy your decade old car. If that's what the Z4 owner crowd is, it's much better than the s2k young teenage ricer crowd. Wasn't like that when the cars cost more so a certain demographic (read: you) couldn't afford them.
Originally Posted by D1sclaimer,May 28 2008, 09:56 AM
Lets also look at the typical driver of a z4 compared to the s2k. Almost every z4 driver(**that I have seen) is a white collar middle aged mid-life crisis kinda guy. We s2k owners tend to be a tad different and can drive our cars properly.
Is the traction control in an M Z4 defeatable? He probably wouldn't have turned it off anyway if he could have anyways.
Is the traction control in an M Z4 defeatable? He probably wouldn't have turned it off anyway if he could have anyways.
I agree, I have beat a few BMWs that should have been able to beat me, I'm talking about the newer Z4, 335I and even the last M3. And yes, they did try. I agree that I beat the driver and not the car but they seemed just as upset just the same. Hey, it's not my fault if they can't drive your car.
Most BMW drivers will just floor it, they are not going to disable the traction control or shift manualy (if it is an auto) and I think that is why they get beat.
Originally Posted by Bboy AJ,Jun 2 2008, 04:43 AM
You're a joke. And your "that I have seen" qualifier means NOTHING.
Enjoy your decade old car. If that's what the Z4 owner crowd is, it's much better than the s2k young teenage ricer crowd. Wasn't like that when the cars cost more so a certain demographic (read: you) couldn't afford them.
Enjoy your decade old car. If that's what the Z4 owner crowd is, it's much better than the s2k young teenage ricer crowd. Wasn't like that when the cars cost more so a certain demographic (read: you) couldn't afford them.
But there is more to the story then just that. I recently read that more and more people are purchasing/leasing cars that most financial advisors would agree are beyond their income. Not only have purchase and lease programs promoted this but society has also become more accepting of auto debt. I work with people who drive cars that cost as much as they make in a year. It is just acceptable to have a $600 monthly payment for 60 months , even for someone who only makes 35k a year... So what does all this mean and what is my point? Well, you are going to see lots of D-Bags driving nicer cars! That includes S2ks and BMWs!
Originally Posted by orange_chicken,Jun 4 2008, 06:33 PM
Wow this thread sure took off in a different direction than expected 

Lol... I was the proud owner of an AP1 for a couple of years and I am currently the proud owner of a Z4M roadster. I have also driven a Z4 3.0si coupe and a Z4 3.0i a few times. IMHO, a well driven S2000 vs Z4 in a straight line SHOULD go roughly like this: Z4M > Z4 3.0si> or = S2000 > or = Z4 3.0i... My two cents...
Originally Posted by jesse.mesa,Jun 2 2008, 01:01 PM
...who drive cars that cost as much as they make in a year. It is just acceptable to have a $600 monthly payment for 60 months , even for someone who only makes 35k a year...
Originally Posted by D1sclaimer,May 28 2008, 09:56 AM
Lets also look at the typical driver of a z4 compared to the s2k. Almost every z4 driver(**that I have seen) is a white collar middle aged mid-life crisis kinda guy. We s2k owners tend to be a tad different and can drive our cars properly.
Is the traction control in an M Z4 defeatable? He probably wouldn't have turned it off anyway if he could have anyways.
Is the traction control in an M Z4 defeatable? He probably wouldn't have turned it off anyway if he could have anyways.



