I agree, I have moved this thread to street encounters.

 

Alright everyone, there's no need to be mean to the guy. Ok - he doesn't know what he's talking about, but at some point in time, we all were a little clueless. It's fine to tell him he's on crack, but do it nicely. There's no reason to jump down his throat just because he's a little out of his element.

M5150: Although I think people here are being a bit harsh in giving you their advice, you should definitely listen. Krazik, although he's probably kicking at you the hardest, definitely knows what he's talking about (and although you may not be getting the impression from this particular thread, he's actually a very nice guy in person).

If your goal is to get into track racing, the best thing you can do is NOT modify your car until you've gone to several track events and your driving skill has gotten to a point where you've reached the car's limits. It's easy to think you're a great driver and you already are at the car's limits until you sit in the passenger seat of a similar car to your own at the track. I GUARANTEE you it will be a very humbling (and FRIGHTENING) experience. If you come out to the track with a ridiculously fast car and you've never driven on a track before, it's going to be harder to work up the confidence to push the car at its full speed.

If your goal is to have a fun car for the street, some canyon carving, and to show off a little with friends, get yourself a set of Buddy Club coilovers. I saw a group buy not long ago for $1100. I have JIC's, which are fairly similar. They simply do not compare with a good set of PROPERLY ADJUSTED triple adjustable JRZ's/Penske's/whatever on the track (you get what you pay for in both build quality and performance), but they will make the car much more responsive (even to the point of being "darty"), they'll give everything a firmer feel, you will feel more in touch with the road, and you can adjust your ride height as you see fit. Krazik and I got into a debate a while back about whether they outperform the stock suspension on the track. In my opinion, my suspension does out-perform the stock setup pretty noticeably although it's harder to drive (you have to really be on the ball because it will whip the tail around in the blink of an eye and it doesn't do as well on bumpy track surfaces). In Krazik's opinion, the stock suspension is better than anything except the $3200+ suspensions. My opinion is faulty because I haven't driven on a stock suspension in years. Krazik's opinion is faulty because he's never driven or riden in my car.

Krazik, I might still be coming to the CA Speedway event on the 25th - perhaps we can do a little testing?

 

i never wanted this discussion to be about me or my driving or my experience, i purely wanted a discussion on a shock's strengths and weaknesses, and a tuners style.

for example moton has better heat rejection, jrz and moton are the same, guy ankeny is best for autocross, EMI for track, and elda for street/track driving.

i wanted this thread for all people who look for info on race shocks, not a thread to attack me personally, i just wanted to observe knowledgeable people having a discussion, not defending myself from relentless attack...

 

The Penskes and Hypercoil springs from Messley will be around $5,000, and it will include an alignment, corner balance, and a "test and tune" day at the track to make sure the car is dialed in properly.

Everyone claims they can sell a shock or tune your suspension. Very few people can back it up with laptimes to prove it, and properly dial in the triples, along with the proper camber, caster, sway bar settings, etc.

The EMI setup on my S2000 with the Penskes and Hypercoil springs (when the motor was uh...working) is pretty nice. Corners great, and enough "softness" on the street where it is not irritating.

-Doug

 

yes and we wanted to know what kind of racing you are doing as there is no single answer and there is no best shock.

We've told you that for street driving stock/single adjustable is the best, but its not the answer you wanted. Don't expect those who actually compete to just toot your horn and make you feel fuzzy about your purchase. If you want to go fast learn from us or don't expect us just to reinforce your need to mod.

Caynon driving is not racing and doesn't need race shocks. You could just spend some money on better tires and get better perfomance than 3ways.

We're about competition, not mountain stupidity.

I'm not an asshole, I just play one on the internet.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug Hayashi
The Penskes and Hypercoil springs from Messley will be around $5,000, and it will include an alignment, corner balance, and a "test and tune" day at the track to make sure the car is dialed in properly.

Everyone claims they can sell a shock or tune your suspension.

 

i got quoted 4500 for the triples from wael, what did you guys pay?

o and btw, i told you twice already i dont drive my S2000 in the canyon

 

I also have the JRZs. I know nothing about shocks, except my times have improved tremendously compared to stock. I had my mechanic install them. They fit differently than elda said, but this has not been a problem. Filling the canisters is also easily acomplished. I have no racing experience other than 2 seasons of autocross. I am suprised how well I place in ASP. They are so easy to adjust and maintain. I am very happy with this choice. They make a fun car even more pleasurable to drive.

 

Why is this in Street Encounter? It should be in Under The Hood.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug Hayashi
The Penskes and Hypercoil springs from Messley will be around $5,000, and it will include an alignment, corner balance, and a "test and tune" day at the track to make sure the car is dialed in properly.

Everyone claims they can sell a shock or tune your suspension.