here it is.
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin S2k,Nov 19 2005, 03:01 AM
when honda decided they wanted to get a bit more torque out of the engine, the engineers spent time and money developing a 2.2 liter to do so. but according to you, all they had to do was add a little material here and move the injectors. so as i said, who knew, honda could have saved all that time and money on R&D and just called you.
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Originally Posted by S2oooNvegas,Nov 19 2005, 03:24 AM
your makin me sad man. thought we were at peace. are you that stupid? i said i used the injector idea, and weld idea as AN EXAMPLE. jeezus. your getting bad dude. look at what your doing. becoming steve C.
you take ths stupidest shit, and turn it all around to make me look bad. i hope you guys feel better about yourselves after this array of blatant idiocy. its amazing what you 2 will do to look cool. sorry but im not hiding the truth. i like peace, but go back to hating me if you want. this is just lame.
you take ths stupidest shit, and turn it all around to make me look bad. i hope you guys feel better about yourselves after this array of blatant idiocy. its amazing what you 2 will do to look cool. sorry but im not hiding the truth. i like peace, but go back to hating me if you want. this is just lame.
People refute those points... and then YOU turn around and try to over simplify it by claiming "look at the big picture... quit nit-picking individual points I make (I summurized it for you"...
This is only a method of deflecting on YOUR behalf... your getting burried... everytime you bring up a point- someone steps up and proves you wrong... so then you turn around and cry "that's not what I'm talking about dude- you're stupid!!!"
Remember what I said about calling other's dumb and stupid???
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Originally Posted by HvRRZ,Nov 19 2005, 02:15 AM
sorry Wis you mention Church, but yet even when he himself says he's dynoed so many s2k's and that the ap2 make more power over any ap1. everyone calls BS. I've met the man and he's said the sam he's told, posted, dynoed to me about the ap2's power being underrated from the factory. He says it makes more power to the crank, and to the wheels, but then again what does he know right? 
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DAVE DAVE DAVE.... So ignorant, so you think every ap2 dyno's higher than any ap1 huh!!!! Well how about my dyno day yesterday!!!! The ap2 had a drop in filter and a test pipe.... I have an intake, test pipe, and VAFC (one more mod than him). And guess what??? I dyno'd the same exact rwhp as him!!! 
. He did make 10 pounds more torque than me, but while he falls off the map after making peak horse power, I make the same amount of power after peak horsepower that I did at peak!!! For example, with my vafc, I picked up 27 rwhp at 8900 rpm due to my VAFC. And I know your going say oh if the ap2 had a VAFC it would crush me blah blah, but thats not true because the 00 and 01 ecu run very very rich which is why stock we dyno allot lower but with little adjustments were right up there with ap2's.... Whats your response to this one????
Here are the video's of the dyno: (and no its not me in either car, its the shop owner)
My car dyno: Ap1 (kayvan) dyno
Ap2 dyno: AP2 DYNO HERE
. He did make 10 pounds more torque than me, but while he falls off the map after making peak horse power, I make the same amount of power after peak horsepower that I did at peak!!! For example, with my vafc, I picked up 27 rwhp at 8900 rpm due to my VAFC. And I know your going say oh if the ap2 had a VAFC it would crush me blah blah, but thats not true because the 00 and 01 ecu run very very rich which is why stock we dyno allot lower but with little adjustments were right up there with ap2's.... Whats your response to this one???? Here are the video's of the dyno: (and no its not me in either car, its the shop owner)
My car dyno: Ap1 (kayvan) dyno
Ap2 dyno: AP2 DYNO HERE
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[QUOTE=kayvan_pour,Nov 19 2005, 09:09 AM] DAVE DAVE DAVE.... So ignorant, so you think every ap2 dyno's higher than any ap1 huh!!!! Well how about my dyno day yesterday!!!! The ap2 had a drop in filter and a test pipe.... I have an intake, test pipe, and VAFC (one more mod than him). And guess what??? I dyno'd the same exact rwhp as him!!!
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i make 213rwhp/133rwtq on a mustang dyno with a new oem and spoon N1 exhaust. now i have KN filter, so what maybe 2rwhp. call me 215rwhp then. i pull every AP2 run, they are all stock mind you, but if they are making more power, well then it shouldnt matter.
