Almost jailed....(Pretty Long)
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Huyto:Glad you survived to learn from it. I did a 180 the first month when it was cold and a bit wet. After that experience, I was truly humbled. I am sure you feel the same way. I am sure that's why you are advising all of us to be careful. That message can never be said too many time, right Greg? I learn from everyone's experiences, good and bad.
Sunchild: Chill dude, he learned, almost the hard way, I think we can all cut him some slack on the driving and chalk it up to experience. He just wants to pass on what he learned, I am sure he did not mean to be condescending or offend anyone.
No offense taken here, just glad the S2k survived...and you too. Peace.
Sunchild: Chill dude, he learned, almost the hard way, I think we can all cut him some slack on the driving and chalk it up to experience. He just wants to pass on what he learned, I am sure he did not mean to be condescending or offend anyone.
No offense taken here, just glad the S2k survived...and you too. Peace.
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Doesn't seem like you knew what you were doing...but anyways, glad to hear you're ok, and that there's no damage to the car. BTW, if you know that it's not safe to drive like that at anytime, then why do it? Seems kind of stupid to me. That sure was a close call...however, your preemptive defense when no one on this board had accused you yet shows that you know that you did something wrong... [/B][/QUOTE]
But if I wanted to be safe all the time, I think I would've have gotten and SUV and just drive slow. I wouldn't have bought a 240hp monster just to commute in. But, it was stupid and I dont intend on doing that again anytime soon, and I'll keep it on the go-carts from BayS2k owners forum. Vroom vrooom.
But if I wanted to be safe all the time, I think I would've have gotten and SUV and just drive slow. I wouldn't have bought a 240hp monster just to commute in. But, it was stupid and I dont intend on doing that again anytime soon, and I'll keep it on the go-carts from BayS2k owners forum. Vroom vrooom.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by huyto
Hey man, don't act like you don't do it. I knew what I was doing, and it is not safe at anytime to drive in that way, but it is a lot more dangerous with cold tires. If you don't want to take a little bit of advice, then don't. It wasn't directed at anyone in particular but maybe some new owners of the S can learn from what happened to me and be aware of the situation. If you don't want to hear it, then don't.
I don't think there's much value (if any) in the advice of a person that is willing to drive hard on a cold night after drinking a beer. Maybe it's just me, but if I were you, I wouldn't go around acting like I had some valuable experience to share for the good of the group.
Hey man, don't act like you don't do it. I knew what I was doing, and it is not safe at anytime to drive in that way, but it is a lot more dangerous with cold tires. If you don't want to take a little bit of advice, then don't. It wasn't directed at anyone in particular but maybe some new owners of the S can learn from what happened to me and be aware of the situation. If you don't want to hear it, then don't.
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I don't think there's much value (if any) in the advice of a person that is willing to drive hard on a cold night after drinking a beer. Maybe it's just me, but if I were you, I wouldn't go around acting like I had some valuable experience to share for the good of the group. [/B][/QUOTE]
Look buddy, if you were offended by my story then I apologize. I just thought that this was a forum to share experiences and stories with other people so I that they might have more light on as to what can happen. I didn't know I had to make sure everyone is pleased with what I had to say before I could post something. If you don't think cold tire slippage is valuable to other members, than thats your opinion. As I explained in my story and to you again, I am well aware that the way I drive is not very safe and I know this. That may very well be the reason the car slipped so I have already determined in my own mind to tone it down.
It takes more than one beer in two hours to f*ck me up and I was very well in the legal limit to drive still, so as the state of CA has made it legal for me to drive at that limit, I feel the beer did not have much affect on the outcome on what happened.
Look buddy, if you were offended by my story then I apologize. I just thought that this was a forum to share experiences and stories with other people so I that they might have more light on as to what can happen. I didn't know I had to make sure everyone is pleased with what I had to say before I could post something. If you don't think cold tire slippage is valuable to other members, than thats your opinion. As I explained in my story and to you again, I am well aware that the way I drive is not very safe and I know this. That may very well be the reason the car slipped so I have already determined in my own mind to tone it down.
It takes more than one beer in two hours to f*ck me up and I was very well in the legal limit to drive still, so as the state of CA has made it legal for me to drive at that limit, I feel the beer did not have much affect on the outcome on what happened.
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You are one lucky bastard. I'm glad that all you got out of it was a lesson. "The Limit" is not a single point in time or space. It moves constantly and it takes a seriously skilled and experienced driver to accurately predict where it is at any given time. If you take anything away from this experience it should be that you are not one of them. I know it's tough to take, hard to hear, but it's the truth. If you didn't doubt your abilities before you should now.
I'm not trying to kick you in the balls on this. I've made similar mistakes with far more grave consequences than a scare and bruised pride. I've learned that lesson and I have a pretty realistic idea of where I fit. Since my similar experience I know it can happen to me. I know that I might be wrong and I know how lucky I was. I totalled a Supra about 15 years ago, on the freeway, it was cold and wet. You are lucky you walked away without a scratch, I'm lucky I walked away at all. Since then it's never happened again. I've never spun or crashed because I learned that things may not be what I think they are. I also know that what will go wrong can and does and my driving style has adjusted for that and kept me out of trouble.
You can blame it on the cold tires but that simply means you haven't learned anything. Your near tragic incident was a result of pure driver error, not tires or the cold. Those things are just things that you failed to compensate for. They just do what they do and you cannot change them. What you can change is how you cope with them. You failed to consider the cold and how that would effect the tires. You failed to consider that with a BA level of 0.06 your reactions would be dull and slow. You also failed to understand that at that temp there may be ice on the ramp you may not see. You put yourself in a position, at the limit, where you could not possibly cope with any adversity that might come up like a stopped car, ice, an animal, debris, whatever. You took an unecessary risk under marginal conditions. If that's the lesson you take away then, and only then, have you learned from your mistake.
Greg admits that he drove the car too fast for the conditions. He made a mental miscalculation and accepts that as the truth. Cold tires may be the nature of the problem but not the problem. He learned, I hope you do to.
I'm not trying to kick you in the balls on this. I've made similar mistakes with far more grave consequences than a scare and bruised pride. I've learned that lesson and I have a pretty realistic idea of where I fit. Since my similar experience I know it can happen to me. I know that I might be wrong and I know how lucky I was. I totalled a Supra about 15 years ago, on the freeway, it was cold and wet. You are lucky you walked away without a scratch, I'm lucky I walked away at all. Since then it's never happened again. I've never spun or crashed because I learned that things may not be what I think they are. I also know that what will go wrong can and does and my driving style has adjusted for that and kept me out of trouble.
You can blame it on the cold tires but that simply means you haven't learned anything. Your near tragic incident was a result of pure driver error, not tires or the cold. Those things are just things that you failed to compensate for. They just do what they do and you cannot change them. What you can change is how you cope with them. You failed to consider the cold and how that would effect the tires. You failed to consider that with a BA level of 0.06 your reactions would be dull and slow. You also failed to understand that at that temp there may be ice on the ramp you may not see. You put yourself in a position, at the limit, where you could not possibly cope with any adversity that might come up like a stopped car, ice, an animal, debris, whatever. You took an unecessary risk under marginal conditions. If that's the lesson you take away then, and only then, have you learned from your mistake.
Greg admits that he drove the car too fast for the conditions. He made a mental miscalculation and accepts that as the truth. Cold tires may be the nature of the problem but not the problem. He learned, I hope you do to.
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I'ved learned, I've learned, almost the hard way... 
but I did. Thats what life is about right? Everybody makes mistakes and I admitted I shouldn't have been going that fast in those conditions. Just that I didn't realize this before I did it...
And I'll quote a great historian who once said...
"But now you know, and knowing is half the battle."
Sargent Duke.
but I did. Thats what life is about right? Everybody makes mistakes and I admitted I shouldn't have been going that fast in those conditions. Just that I didn't realize this before I did it...
And I'll quote a great historian who once said...
"But now you know, and knowing is half the battle."
Sargent Duke.
