Anyone ever do this to tailgaters?
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No you are missing the point. The person following is already exceeding the speed limit and following too closely. What if the turn was instead a pedestrian? Our fellow S2k driver would hit his brakes to avoid hitting the LIVING PERSON and the idiot behind him with a vehicle of lesser performance would plow into him and quite possibly into the pedestrian. It is your sole responsibility to control your vehicle on the roadway. If they enter themselves into the situation where their vehicle can't handle the speeds they are travelling shame on them.
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In the situation originally described by the thread starter, those drivers that tailgated him and discovered, too late, that they were going too fast would lose control and spin off to the right, placing their car into "a curb on the outside with an empty grassy area beyond the curb." There is no occasion for these tailgators to spin out into oncoming traffic.
In the situation described by Timphipps (thread starter), the only thing he did was take the turn at a speed his car (and perhaps abilities) were capable of, while the tailgater's car or abilities were not. This would result in the tailgating car to lose control.
Now tell me. If tim was to pull over and let the tailgater pass - mind you, he would have to pull onto the sidewalk/curb (as there is no space for two cars) - this would simply allow the offending car to go faster. Ironically, the tailgating car is already traveling too fast for it's abilities and would therefore spin out anyway - especially if pulling over would allow the car to go faster. It's quite possible that in this case, by limiting the tailgater's speed to between 25 and 30 on the 5-10 mph hairpin curve he is actually reducing the potential for a greater accident, should the car following him attempt to take the turn at an even higher speed.
Please think about that.
If you still think we are all retarded for defending Tim's (and only Tim's) actions as "Non-Road Rage", please explain. It may be that you are actually the "thick" one.
In the situation described by Timphipps (thread starter), the only thing he did was take the turn at a speed his car (and perhaps abilities) were capable of, while the tailgater's car or abilities were not. This would result in the tailgating car to lose control.
Now tell me. If tim was to pull over and let the tailgater pass - mind you, he would have to pull onto the sidewalk/curb (as there is no space for two cars) - this would simply allow the offending car to go faster. Ironically, the tailgating car is already traveling too fast for it's abilities and would therefore spin out anyway - especially if pulling over would allow the car to go faster. It's quite possible that in this case, by limiting the tailgater's speed to between 25 and 30 on the 5-10 mph hairpin curve he is actually reducing the potential for a greater accident, should the car following him attempt to take the turn at an even higher speed.
Please think about that.
If you still think we are all retarded for defending Tim's (and only Tim's) actions as "Non-Road Rage", please explain. It may be that you are actually the "thick" one.
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Originally Posted by bposeley,May 19 2005, 04:48 PM
In the situation originally described by the thread starter, those drivers that tailgated him and discovered, too late, that they were going too fast would lose control and spin off to the right, placing their car into "a curb on the outside with an empty grassy area beyond the curb." There is no occasion for these tailgators to spin out into oncoming traffic.
In the situation described by Timphipps (thread starter), the only thing he did was take the turn at a speed his car (and perhaps abilities) were capable of, while the tailgater's car or abilities were not. This would result in the tailgating car to lose control.
Now tell me. If tim was to pull over and let the tailgater pass - mind you, he would have to pull onto the sidewalk/curb (as there is no space for two cars) - this would simply allow the offending car to go faster. Ironically, the tailgating car is already traveling too fast for it's abilities and would therefore spin out anyway - especially if pulling over would allow the car to go faster. It's quite possible that in this case, by limiting the tailgater's speed to between 25 and 30 on the 5-10 mph hairpin curve he is actually reducing the potential for a greater accident, should the car following him attempt to take the turn at an even higher speed.
Please think about that.
If you still think we are all retarded for defending Tim's (and only Tim's) actions as "Non-Road Rage", please explain. It may be that you are actually the "thick" one.
In the situation described by Timphipps (thread starter), the only thing he did was take the turn at a speed his car (and perhaps abilities) were capable of, while the tailgater's car or abilities were not. This would result in the tailgating car to lose control.
Now tell me. If tim was to pull over and let the tailgater pass - mind you, he would have to pull onto the sidewalk/curb (as there is no space for two cars) - this would simply allow the offending car to go faster. Ironically, the tailgating car is already traveling too fast for it's abilities and would therefore spin out anyway - especially if pulling over would allow the car to go faster. It's quite possible that in this case, by limiting the tailgater's speed to between 25 and 30 on the 5-10 mph hairpin curve he is actually reducing the potential for a greater accident, should the car following him attempt to take the turn at an even higher speed.
Please think about that.
If you still think we are all retarded for defending Tim's (and only Tim's) actions as "Non-Road Rage", please explain. It may be that you are actually the "thick" one.
He did not simply take the turn at the speed of his car, he allowed the tailgater to be fixed on his car and put into a dangerous situation. Target fixation causes tons of accidents. He maliciously brought the tailgater into a dangerous situation.
If he pulled over, he is not conducting this malicious act and teh tailgater is likely to take the turn at a more reasonable speed since he is focused on the turn.
Your theory is well thought out, however it does not included the original poster's intent and that intent's effect.
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FraudulentNeon, I agree now with what you are saying, having had a chance to review the other's comments. It is a tricky situation... being harassed by a tailgater. I suspect that it often causes many of us "normally rational" people to do things we might otherwise consider a bad idea.
As for me, I always let tailgaters pass me as soon as it is safe for both myself and the tailgater.
As for me, I always let tailgaters pass me as soon as it is safe for both myself and the tailgater.
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Ah, an adult! I respect that. 
I'm glad you remain cool, it's difficult to do. In my earlier years I definitely returned road rage with road rage. After driving cars like the S2000, you get used to it and learn to pull over.
I'm glad you remain cool, it's difficult to do. In my earlier years I definitely returned road rage with road rage. After driving cars like the S2000, you get used to it and learn to pull over.
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Oops. Last night when I went to bed I was a bit disappointed that I only had one response to what I thought was a lighthearted thread. I logged on after dinner tonight and must admit than now I am disappointed at the high number of posts. Well thanks to those who defended me and for those who took my post a bit too seriously I need to offer more information.
I apologize to those who think I am wreaking other drivers or endangering others.
Some extra info I guess I should have added:
We are talking about a 1/2 mile stretch of campus road from my office to a 4-lane highway that is one mile from the interstate. There is no place to pull over though there are two parking lots I could drive into, do a U turn and re-enter the road from a stop sign. That seems rather absurd for a 1/2 mile drive on my commute to and from work. On the open road I pull over any time I have a faster driver behind me and it is safe to do so. Doesn't bother me a bit. And I really appreciate it when people do that for me.
We had eight students struck by autos on this road just this year. Most of the accidents occurred a 1/4 mile before where I enter the road, in front of the dorms on a curve with a major pedestrian crossing. The causes were speed, failure to yield the right of way and careless pedestrians. Two students were critically injured though luckily no one has died so far.
The speed I drive around "my corner" is 31 MPH. I drive that speed whether I have a tailgater behind or not whenever the road is clear. I could easily take that corner at 45 at the limits of traction and my ability but would never do that. Almost any production car could easily take that corner at 31 if they set it up right. Both of the spins I talked about were the result of the drivers panicking and hitting the brakes. We all know what that does.
So what I am doing is drive the corner the way I almost always do. I am just not being altruistic and brake checking the tailgater in order to protect him (or her) from himself. Sorry, not a big fan of that.
Finally, the main roads outside the campus become parking lots during rush hour so commuters cut across campus at high rates of speed to "make time."
You can say leave it to the police, but you must live in California where I used to live. In this state and on this campus the police as few in number, underpaid, and completely useless. My older son will be a student at this campus next year and I care for his safety as well as the safety of other students. I realize that my actions are not making the roads safer, though I also strongly feel that I am not making them more dangerous by driving no more than 5 over the speed limit on campus. At worst the tailgaters have spilled coffee in their laps or dropped their cellphones. I can't say that about the eight students who were struck by cars.
And yes, I must be at least 30. I am 50 and have been driving roadsters for 35 years. And if that makes me immature so be it.
Tim
I apologize to those who think I am wreaking other drivers or endangering others.
Some extra info I guess I should have added:
We are talking about a 1/2 mile stretch of campus road from my office to a 4-lane highway that is one mile from the interstate. There is no place to pull over though there are two parking lots I could drive into, do a U turn and re-enter the road from a stop sign. That seems rather absurd for a 1/2 mile drive on my commute to and from work. On the open road I pull over any time I have a faster driver behind me and it is safe to do so. Doesn't bother me a bit. And I really appreciate it when people do that for me.
We had eight students struck by autos on this road just this year. Most of the accidents occurred a 1/4 mile before where I enter the road, in front of the dorms on a curve with a major pedestrian crossing. The causes were speed, failure to yield the right of way and careless pedestrians. Two students were critically injured though luckily no one has died so far.
The speed I drive around "my corner" is 31 MPH. I drive that speed whether I have a tailgater behind or not whenever the road is clear. I could easily take that corner at 45 at the limits of traction and my ability but would never do that. Almost any production car could easily take that corner at 31 if they set it up right. Both of the spins I talked about were the result of the drivers panicking and hitting the brakes. We all know what that does.
So what I am doing is drive the corner the way I almost always do. I am just not being altruistic and brake checking the tailgater in order to protect him (or her) from himself. Sorry, not a big fan of that.
Finally, the main roads outside the campus become parking lots during rush hour so commuters cut across campus at high rates of speed to "make time."
You can say leave it to the police, but you must live in California where I used to live. In this state and on this campus the police as few in number, underpaid, and completely useless. My older son will be a student at this campus next year and I care for his safety as well as the safety of other students. I realize that my actions are not making the roads safer, though I also strongly feel that I am not making them more dangerous by driving no more than 5 over the speed limit on campus. At worst the tailgaters have spilled coffee in their laps or dropped their cellphones. I can't say that about the eight students who were struck by cars.
And yes, I must be at least 30. I am 50 and have been driving roadsters for 35 years. And if that makes me immature so be it.
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Personal responsibility! After what Timphipps said you can now see that the truck spinning out is in no way Timphipps fault.
Timphipps is not driving the truck, blocking his view, or doing anything different than if the truck wasn't back there. Therefore, if the truck crashes or whatever it is the owner of the truck
Timphipps is not driving the truck, blocking his view, or doing anything different than if the truck wasn't back there. Therefore, if the truck crashes or whatever it is the owner of the truck
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you are 50 yrs old n' you still act like that and have a state of mind like that? wow, this country really is FULL OF ignorant and cold hearted people. Its just sad, it really is. Honestly, i dont mean to be disrespectfull and all but you woudl think by the age of freaking 5-0!!! you would change and become more of a mature person and more or less a role model for peopel especailly on these boards as you know you are old enough to be almost evreyones father over here. Thats pathetic honestly.